where ‘absolutely not’ means ‘maybe later’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c40irxnC_qM&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20251223-firefox-browser-falls-to-ai-what-do-we-do-now - podcast
time: 9 min 39 sec
if you’re here to recommend ladybird, tell us why you’re doing advocacy for that trash fire in spite of the well-sourced, ah, downsides pointed out in article and video linked from the OP.
same for brave. I don’t give a fuck if privacyguides told you it was the goodest browser.
if you’re here to advocate for ladybird or brave and haven’t read the article in the OP, fuck off. don’t come here pretending to discuss something you haven’t read.
important addendum: your reason for advocating for shit browsers owned by terrible people will be read out loud in the clown voice it deserves
Lemmy needs a feature where we can click a button on a comment and make everyone see that comment in Comic Sans.
Careful, don’t slander Comic Sans. It is an asshole, and has the party people on its side.
(I also think the font gets too much flak, perhaps to really show our distaste of the comment make it the fraktur font, and flip it around (I did recently learn that flipping a front upside down/around makes it very hard to read for people who have trouble visualizing things in their head, which I had not thought about as being an issue)
so I’m not saying I’m writing this down for the Lemmy clone’s features list, but
.comment-node :has(.text-danger) { font-family: "Comic Sans MS", "Comic Sans" ; }Sorry (not sorry).
coming in rizz i’m sure
Sorry but it’s not like there are many options here…
Ladybird is not even alpha yet so of course it does not work… and if a 5 second clip of someone using Copilot is enough to rule out a browser, well there will no options left
I too want a world where a decent programmer I would like to buy a beer for is coding a lovely browser with no AI and that respects my privacy, but alas, we live in this horrible world where asking for that seems to be too much.
At the end of the day, if ladybird happens to work well (when finished), I will use that instead of Edge or Chrome… you need to grow up people or we will all get run over by the very people we are trying to oppose
shut the fuck up
Please, it’s pronounced “Merry Christmas, ya filthy animal.”
the wet bandits would absolutely be gigantic ladybird fans. especially after Kevin gave them a couple concussions each
I did like the part where the orcs attacked the Kremlin, though
I don’t care if a cat’s white or black. I care if it catches mice.
Please enjoy your free trip to the egress.
On the subject of Brave:
https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/1j1pq7b/list_of_brave_browser_controversies/ it really has a little bit to many controversies. (And the list is downplaying some of it, the wikipedia clone added wasn’t just some random one, it is was the one created by the alt right, neo-nazi Vox Day. Addition of which by the CEO should be enough to not want to use the browser at all).
And if you’re here to report the mods for rudeness, lolz
ahahaha delicious
Unrelated to the article/vid itself, thanks for making both a video, podcast, and an article. I know it is a lot of work, but I really appreciate being able to read it than having to watch a video.
from the youtube browser comments, “Ladybird is our last hope” seems to be the new standard promotional cut’n’paste phrase
last hope for what, you might ask? well the true anti-woke browser, which is much more important than actually, say, working.
presumably brave is too SJW for these guys, as well as basically working insofar as it’s just a chrome reskin
they want the TRUE GLORIOVS FVTVRE that only a nonexistent thing that doesn’t fucking work, and won’t cos the lead bozo is vibe coding it, can offer.
in fashtech, promises of future glory always beat present day actually fucking working
People nostalgic for a past that never was long for the browser that will never be
Wasn’t there some mention of an AI kill switch for Firefox?
dunno, what does the article say?
It always amuses me when people fall in love with the next “but they’re one of us!” tech companies. You can’t say shit about it without getting destroyed by fanbois, but when they turn out to not be one of us, you’d damn well better keep your “I told you so!” to yourself- because they never let you tell them to begin with.
Look up what “Mozilla Foundation” is and how that fundamentally makes what you said not apply here.
are you fucking lost? you seem to be here from 2010 before we knew exactly what the “Mozilla Foundation” was, an organization that grifts nonprofit money and hires extremely gifted devs just to waste their god damn time
So tell me, is there something specific about .ml that attracts smug arrogance and a lack of nuance? Because at this point- it’s can’t be a coincidence.
Never got a chance to try it on arch, but I’ve heard ladybird browser is good. Ladybird is a new web browser completely made from scratch, I tried installing it today but for some reason the app refused to open.
oh someone made a browser from scratch? tight
unironically fuck yes
bring back vrml and the browser can become a room you can diy on
I’m sure this plan will go perfectly with absolutely no issues
“I know this!”
does arch not support reading the fucking article or any other comments in the thread before you show your entire ass posting here
Use LibreWolf or WaterFox and ironfox for android
both of these depend on firefox for survival unfortunately, no real hardforks yet.
Waterfox lore - it got acquired by System1 of “Guy Who Runs Three Companies Called Fidelity But Not The Fidelity You Know Probably Doesn’t Care That There’s Already A Company Called System1 That Does That Same Thing As The System1 His SPAC Is Buying. Just saying.” 1 and then went private again 2, presumably they bought it back after the stock predictably tanked. Subprime adtech is a strange place.
IMHO should just bring back iceweasel, but what do i know.
Zen is AI free, at least so far.
sadly, Floorp is going AI browser. I mean, “choice” to pick the bits of rat poop out browser.
This is a banger of a metaphor
I think I already said this but you’re not making me use something called “Floorp” even if it’s the last piece of software in the world. Just come on.
There is a wall decoration at the Enschede central station listing all the important companies started there by the local university and all but one I had not heard of (which is prob my fault) but those also all sounded like ‘Floorp’ I get a chuckle every time I walk past it.
Tech people should be banned from naming things (I’m fine with including myself here)
Satire died when my friend told me at their Very Serious Corporation with a Very Important Mission Critical Software Stack they use a thing called “Splunk” and it wasn’t a joke.
Snort with Splunk!
I used Floorp for a while. (The search engine that dominated the industry was named for a child’s nonsense-babble word for 10^100; nobody has a leg to stand on here.) It had a rare but persistent (and thus difficult to diagnose) problem of crashing my laptop hard when opening a private-mode window. Also, they’re planning to incorporate AI on an “opt-in” basis instead of rejecting it on moral grounds.
I only use software named after words that aren’t made up. That is, I don’t use software. I post here by waving copper wire at telephone poles to bit bash my way through the tubes.
The search engine that dominated the industry was named for a child’s nonsense-babble word for 10^100;
And how did that work out in the long term? There were warning signs!
So thats a no on “Floorp” then. Good
Librewolf or Waterfox.
Orion will also be getting a Linux version.
As for Orion: while I like the idea of having a browser that’s neither Chromium nor Gecko in the mix, Orion is made by Kagi which, at least in the past, self-described as an AI company, so I’m not sure how much I trust their stance to keep slop machines out of it (spoiler: I don’t). Also their CEO seems like a bit of a twat.
And it’s not really open source either apart from the WebKit parts as far as I know.
their absolute twat of a CEO is still running kagi as an AI company, and kagi fans get really weird when you bring it up
Is Vivaldi still good?
The least-worst of the Chrome reskins is Vivaldi, which has no AI. It has its own adblocker, but it’s not as good a blocker as FIrefox with uBlock Origin. And Vivaldi’s not open source. But they’re relatively non-evil.
no the best is UngoogledChromium (at least on desktop)
I’ll just keep not using it.
I’d choose to never use Internet again than use a chromium browser
from your profile and post history you appear to be, and I can’t believe I’m typing these words, a pro-Brave anti-Mozilla gimmick account. go the fuck outside.
The era of useful Silicon Valley Non-Profits seems to be fizzling out. I wonder how long Signal is going to hold out…
(Those are my 2 reference points, if I’m ignorant of some cool org let me know.)
Wikipedia is still doing good
Which is why there has been some push to undermine it lately. I have noticed ai bro calling it deprecated by chatgpt, or musk’s grokipedia
welcome to lemmy-mastodon interop! here’s your accordion
Move. I’m trying waterfox atm
I’m doing the same, and I gotta say, I’m really liking the small differences in the UI on both android and desktop.
The popup menu on Android is way better.
The customization for the tabs/highlights on desktop are great.
Subtle differences, but I appreciate the options nonetheless.
Go to some fork of either firefox or chromium. Then jump ship to ladybird when its ready
tell us more about how you didn’t read the article or watch the video
specifically tell us how you missed ladybird’s developer being a fascist who’s already vibe coding the worthless fucking thing
actually no, maybe just don’t fucking post here
Why would anyone name a browser after Ronald Reagan’s wife anyway
LBJ’s wife, not Reagan’s.
BRB starting my new browser named ThroatGoat
Follows the AdjectiveAnimal template. Im sold!
It would be even better if it were <classical element> <animal>. Unless we were to retcon throat as a classical element. I would not say no to that
while wikipedia-diving the other day I learned about Basilisk
so, y’know, why not this too
by the guy behind PaleMoon who is a bit of a chud
uh have you tried xydfgq-blurble browser it’s my home brew fork of chromium and firefox i call it “chromefox” which is also my fursona
thinking of changing the name to something lighthearted, marketable and non-objectionable like “GNU-Scrotum”
i am the only maintainer and i keep up with 110% of security issues
we are not in the android store as the oppressive statists at google said that if i ever switched on this uh “piece of shit” in a built up area theyd cut my nuts off, but
ignore the FUD about chromefox spilling your bank account and leaking your tastes in hentai and fucking your cat it’s all LIES FILTHY LIES by THAT BITCH ANDREW he is SUCH an asshole
anyway free software stallman was right peace out
Chlorofox (the oxidized version)
Theranox
what have the furries done to you
I assume it is a bit of the old SA leaking through. What is your opinion on anime David? (Otoh, it does remind me of the tool crystaldiskinfo (which reads out the SMART data from disks) which by default seems to push you to use their variants which have anime skins).
we demonstrably have a better grasp of consent than the (rest of the) tech industry at large
Chromefox: the Sonichu of FOSS
I used Firefox for largely political reasons (summarized as “Google needs a competitor”), but it was becoming harder and harder to justify. Eventually, I just switched to a Chromium-based browser. I will say that, as an almost-good-enough solution until I wake up from this nightmare to a functioning Servo (🙏🙏🙏) , DNS level ad blocking (using Mullvad’s DNS servers) + uBlock Origin Lite (filtering mode set to “complete”) has been sufficient for me. It even blocks Spotify ads. I think it blocks YouTube ads as well, although I barely watch YouTube on my browser.
Ungoogled Chromium supports MV2 extensions and seems like a good choice if Firefox becomes unusable or you get fed up. I use Trivalent, a security hardened Chromium-based browser, but it may be tough to install if you aren’t on Secureblue. Also it only supports MV3 extensions.
this shit is so fucking frustrating, just leave our browsers alone. we want security updates, not an unethically sourced bullshit-and-vulnerability-generator stapled onto the biggest attack surface on our fucking machine
Unfortunately I don’t think Servo is going to be a full browser anytime soon. They are working on a browser engine that others can embed into their applications. Presumably somebody could use that engine to build a browser, but I’m not aware of any projects working towards that right now. Personally I’m using FF with most of this crap disabled, holding out for Ladybird.
why are you holding out for a browser that the OP correctly calls out as being developed by a believer in white replacement conspiracy theories who also vibe codes his browser?
actually don’t answer that, don’t fucking post here unless you’ve read the article
