where ‘absolutely not’ means ‘maybe later’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c40irxnC_qM&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video
https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20251223-firefox-browser-falls-to-ai-what-do-we-do-now - podcast
time: 9 min 39 sec
if you’re here to recommend ladybird, tell us why you’re doing advocacy for that trash fire in spite of the well-sourced, ah, downsides pointed out in article and video linked from the OP.
same for brave. I don’t give a fuck if privacyguides told you it was the goodest browser.
if you’re here to advocate for ladybird or brave and haven’t read the article in the OP, fuck off. don’t come here pretending to discuss something you haven’t read.
important addendum: your reason for advocating for shit browsers owned by terrible people will be read out loud in the clown voice it deserves
Lemmy needs a feature where we can click a button on a comment and make everyone see that comment in Comic Sans.
coming in rizz i’m sure
so I’m not saying I’m writing this down for the Lemmy clone’s features list, but
.comment-node :has(.text-danger) { font-family: "Comic Sans MS", "Comic Sans" ; }Sorry (not sorry).
Careful, don’t slander Comic Sans. It is an asshole, and has the party people on its side.
(I also think the font gets too much flak, perhaps to really show our distaste of the comment make it the fraktur font, and flip it around (I did recently learn that flipping a front upside down/around makes it very hard to read for people who have trouble visualizing things in their head, which I had not thought about as being an issue)
I don’t care if a cat’s white or black. I care if it catches mice.
Please enjoy your free trip to the egress.
On the subject of Brave:
https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/1j1pq7b/list_of_brave_browser_controversies/ it really has a little bit to many controversies. (And the list is downplaying some of it, the wikipedia clone added wasn’t just some random one, it is was the one created by the alt right, neo-nazi Vox Day. Addition of which by the CEO should be enough to not want to use the browser at all).
I did like the part where the orcs attacked the Kremlin, though
Sorry but it’s not like there are many options here…
Ladybird is not even alpha yet so of course it does not work… and if a 5 second clip of someone using Copilot is enough to rule out a browser, well there will no options left
I too want a world where a decent programmer I would like to buy a beer for is coding a lovely browser with no AI and that respects my privacy, but alas, we live in this horrible world where asking for that seems to be too much.
At the end of the day, if ladybird happens to work well (when finished), I will use that instead of Edge or Chrome… you need to grow up people or we will all get run over by the very people we are trying to oppose
shut the fuck up
Please, it’s pronounced “Merry Christmas, ya filthy animal.”
the wet bandits would absolutely be gigantic ladybird fans. especially after Kevin gave them a couple concussions each
And if you’re here to report the mods for rudeness, lolz
ahahaha delicious
This feels a little sensational. While I’m disappointed the new CEO wants to waste time on it, as long as we can turn it odd its not terrible. And its still the only real competition to Chrome. All the forks still rely on Mozilla’s work, though I would love to see that situation improve.
after a decade+ of Mozilla dropping the ball on purpose and violating user consent, thank fuck we’ve got you! somebody needed to pointlessly restate the latter half of the video while carrying water for the millionaire CEO of a nonprofit grift and I certainly as fuck would rather fucking die
Never got a chance to try it on arch, but I’ve heard ladybird browser is good. Ladybird is a new web browser completely made from scratch, I tried installing it today but for some reason the app refused to open.
does arch not support reading the fucking article or any other comments in the thread before you show your entire ass posting here
oh someone made a browser from scratch? tight
unironically fuck yes
bring back vrml and the browser can become a room you can diy on
I’m sure this plan will go perfectly with absolutely no issues
“I know this!”
Use LibreWolf or WaterFox and ironfox for android
both of these depend on firefox for survival unfortunately, no real hardforks yet.
Move. I’m trying waterfox atm
I’m doing the same, and I gotta say, I’m really liking the small differences in the UI on both android and desktop.
The popup menu on Android is way better.
The customization for the tabs/highlights on desktop are great.
Subtle differences, but I appreciate the options nonetheless.
Librewolf or Waterfox.
Orion will also be getting a Linux version.
As for Orion: while I like the idea of having a browser that’s neither Chromium nor Gecko in the mix, Orion is made by Kagi which, at least in the past, self-described as an AI company, so I’m not sure how much I trust their stance to keep slop machines out of it (spoiler: I don’t). Also their CEO seems like a bit of a twat.
And it’s not really open source either apart from the WebKit parts as far as I know.
their absolute twat of a CEO is still running kagi as an AI company, and kagi fans get really weird when you bring it up
Is Vivaldi still good?
The least-worst of the Chrome reskins is Vivaldi, which has no AI. It has its own adblocker, but it’s not as good a blocker as FIrefox with uBlock Origin. And Vivaldi’s not open source. But they’re relatively non-evil.
no the best is UngoogledChromium (at least on desktop)
you_were_the_chosen_one.gifI jumped ship to Librewolf a year and a half ago (after seeing Mozilla steal people’s data and sell it to advertisers), and I’m pretty fucking thankful for that. For anyone looking to leave Mozilla to rot, I highly recommend it.
how are the defaults for librewolf? I’m considering switching but I’m hearing mixed things about the defaults occasionally breaking sites. waterfox seems pretty good too, but I don’t see it packaged as frequently as librewolf.
The defaults are significantly better than Brave. Hands down Brave has turned to garbage.
The defaults are pretty strict, but most of the page-breaking stuff can be changed in the LibreWolf settings and each one has a description which usually contains a link to a wiki article detailing why you’d want to change it or think twice before changing it.
Not the person you replied to, but I also switched to Librewolf a couple of months ago, also greatly enjoy it. Here’s a link to my nix config where Librewolf gets made to behave a little closer to default Firefox in terms of usability. Honestly not too bad!
My only difficulty with LibreWolf on Ubuntu was getting it to be the default browser (it didn’t show up in the list of options). Turns out
xdg-settings set default-web-browser librewolf.desktopon the command line did the trick.started switching and testing options last week. Librewolf’s default are awful, but undoing that has been better than having to look at the ugly Waterfox logo, in my opinion. If the logo is a non issue for you, WF had better default settings. I’m overly particular
i’ll go against the grain here: Librewolfs’s defaults are firmly “meh” for me. still an improvement over the “what the fuck” that’s happening in Firefox.
pros: nixs the annoying Pocket / AI / “suggested” nonsense by default. no annoying extras.
neutrals: Firefox Sync is off, but one click and a restart to turn back on. reasonable for a non-Mozilla project. no cookies saved by default might be annoying for some, but you can add exceptions right from the URL bar and i only have a dozen or so of those set for various sites. gods, cohost is still in that list…
cons: ResistFingerprinting is IMHO way overkill and breaks nice things like automatic dark modes just for preserving privacy in the 0.001% of cases where browser fingerprinting matters. same as WebGL being off by default – i just don’t need that kind of protection
i still recommend it. Disable ResistFingerprinting, enable WebGL, enable Firefox Sync, and decide for yourself if you want auto-clearing cookies or not. i also always enable vertical tabs because my horizontal space is a lot less constricted than my vertical. (it’s a FF feature!)
Defaults are pretty good - didn’t need to do much to feel comfortable.
Used FF for over a decade, switched to Vivaldi about a month ago. It’s pretty much as the article says, adblocking not as good as FF+uBlock, but it mostly does the job, including YouTube videos. Note the inbuilt adblocker also works on mobile, tho there’s no extension support there. One upside I discovered is that the performance is slightly better at least on my mid-range devices, the web is just built around Chrome-related browsers nowadays unfortunately. It’s a bit feature-bloated for my taste with even an inbuilt browser-game (you can hide it from the menus), but honestly that’s at least cute and more sincere than AI crap.
Turn it off?
I’ll fucking turn you off
It’s cumbersome to do so and it turns itself back on with every update.
Presumably, if Firefox version N breaks ad-blocking, someone can make a hard fork of version N-1. Security patches, upgrades to OS support and things like new CSS/HTML features can be cherry-picked or reimplemented to it, though Firefox updates in general will not be admitted, as it’s a hard fork (in the way that LibreOffice or MariaDB is). At worst, Firefox will actively make it hard to do this, closing their source or changing their licence to one which prohibits it, requiring any updates to be reimplemented clean-room style, which will slow things down, though if the alternative is actively enshittified, it’s the least-bad option.
The good news is it generally isn’t necessary to reverse engineer browser behavior when writing a browser. Since it’s mostly fairly standardized, there’s a decent test suite, and the major browsers are all open source.
Though this comes with some caveats:
- There are exceptions like the CSS viewport spec which was reverse engineered from an iphone.
- There are a lot of specifications because browsers have been around for decades and Chromium keeps implementing stuff, and it can be hard to find enough programmers to write all of them / catch up from a fresh start
- This is a somewhat unstable situation; if we lose even a single major browser engine it’s easy to imagine Chrome maybe not bothering with standardization and just telling people to read the blog posts and code.
- Web pages will do nonsense like break themselves if you provide a User-Agent string they don’t like. Mozilla has an ongoing compatibility effort where they sometimes have to override the UA string for specific pages. So less popular browsers are already playing from a disadvantageous position.
maybe my favorite pivot to ai article yet, definitely top three at least. wonderful work
small typo.
So guess what Mozilla did? When you update Firefox, tt re-enables the AI! And if you disable the AI again, it re-enables it again next update! Choose correctly, user!
“tt” should “it”
Go to some fork of either firefox or chromium. Then jump ship to ladybird when its ready
tell us more about how you didn’t read the article or watch the video
specifically tell us how you missed ladybird’s developer being a fascist who’s already vibe coding the worthless fucking thing
actually no, maybe just don’t fucking post here
Why would anyone name a browser after Ronald Reagan’s wife anyway
LBJ’s wife, not Reagan’s.
BRB starting my new browser named ThroatGoat
uh have you tried xydfgq-blurble browser it’s my home brew fork of chromium and firefox i call it “chromefox” which is also my fursona
thinking of changing the name to something lighthearted, marketable and non-objectionable like “GNU-Scrotum”
i am the only maintainer and i keep up with 110% of security issues
we are not in the android store as the oppressive statists at google said that if i ever switched on this uh “piece of shit” in a built up area theyd cut my nuts off, but
ignore the FUD about chromefox spilling your bank account and leaking your tastes in hentai and fucking your cat it’s all LIES FILTHY LIES by THAT BITCH ANDREW he is SUCH an asshole
anyway free software stallman was right peace out
Chromefox: the Sonichu of FOSS
Chlorofox (the oxidized version)
Theranox
what have the furries done to you
I assume it is a bit of the old SA leaking through. What is your opinion on anime David? (Otoh, it does remind me of the tool crystaldiskinfo (which reads out the SMART data from disks) which by default seems to push you to use their variants which have anime skins).
chromefox
we demonstrably have a better grasp of consent than the (rest of the) tech industry at large
while wikipedia-diving the other day I learned about Basilisk
so, y’know, why not this too
by the guy behind PaleMoon who is a bit of a chud
Follows the AdjectiveAnimal template. Im sold!
It would be even better if it were <classical element> <animal>. Unless we were to retcon throat as a classical element. I would not say no to that
Unrelated to the article/vid itself, thanks for making both a video, podcast, and an article. I know it is a lot of work, but I really appreciate being able to read it than having to watch a video.
from the youtube browser comments, “Ladybird is our last hope” seems to be the new standard promotional cut’n’paste phrase
last hope for what, you might ask? well the true anti-woke browser, which is much more important than actually, say, working.
presumably brave is too SJW for these guys, as well as basically working insofar as it’s just a chrome reskin
they want the TRUE GLORIOVS FVTVRE that only a nonexistent thing that doesn’t fucking work, and won’t cos the lead bozo is vibe coding it, can offer.
in fashtech, promises of future glory always beat present day actually fucking working
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