idk it’s my first time (kind of) trying to do dataviz, I thought the original post was super interesting but like other comments said, it was hard to read.
I think in a way it’s mostly because defederation is complex to show as links, since it is the break of said link, but hopefully this type of graph is better ?
you do lose the “group” of instances view, though (and also I did not bother with per instance MAU as raw number + percentage, or sofware used)
let me know what you think!
Very cool, bien joué ha ha
Blahaj federated lemmynsfw? Interesting
So why does everyone hate lemmygrad and hexbear? I’m out of the loop on that.
tankies.
Hexbear originated from ChapoTrapHouse fandom which is a part of the so-called dirtbag left that explicitly antagonizes (neo)liberals. They also don’t use downvotes and encourage users to voice their opinions instead.
So every wave of redditor freaks the hell out when they get a handful of hexbear users clowning on some take like it’s a coordinated brigade attack.
tankie bullshit
lemmygrad because they are perceived as tankies / commies, and thus get all the kneerjerk reaction from the people who are unwilling to apply the same standards to the US, the EU or Israel.
Hexbear, honestly no idea.
they are too extreme for the normal extremists.
I love how almost everybody defederates with Lemmygrade lmao
It doesn’t even Include https://lemmy.today/ that has no defederation or blocking at all, and has never had, since the admin feels it’s up to the user and not the admin to decide these things. You know, free and open internet, remember?
Also one of the best themes of all Lemmy instances if you ask me.
Came here to say that!
I can’t comprehend why people would join instances in the list. If you don’t like a particular instance, just hop into the user settings and block it! Why let others set your blocklist?
because it’s less work.
Doesn’t take much normally. But still, I think Lemmy would surely benefit from adding custom filter lists that users can enable or disable at will.
You gotta ask the OOP about that, but my guess is, in a graph that shows instances that defederate, why include an instance that doesn’t?
why include an instance that doesn’t?
Because it lets you see how common or uncommon defederations are relative to the total set of all instances (or at least, all minus the long tail of very-low-user-count ones). And although it would make the graph larger, it would also make it sparse and IMO that would also be easier to read.
It could also give a misleading impression that all instances defederate or are defederated by somebody, making people think it’s more common than it actually is. (Or maybe not doing that, if you include allish instances and it still ends up being not very sparse.)
I see your point I guess. Perhaps defederation is something that users want, and then they are happy to see who does it the most?
Im not like that myself, but I can see the point.
I notice that it presents sites with the same editorial body as separate cases, such as piefed.ca and lemmy.ca. Perhaps it would make sense and potentially improve readability to collapse any cases that have the same in and out arcs as each other. (So, all the cases that have no blocks and only block lemmygrad as one collapsed entry, for example.)
Now I am curious what is going on in fedinsfw.
Legal risk. Being federated means mirroring the content locally and that can cause liability for the instance owner. Laws around porn can vary by country and to some being federated could be illegal, or be an unreasonable risk.
porn that makes most folks uncomfortable
Reposting porn from other sites i assune
A bit scarier than the previous one at first glance, but the single line explanation including everything needed to understand makes it easier to read.
Something though, I think it’d be better to have a cut-off of MAU or some other relevance metric, as otherwise smaller instances defederating from major ones may sneakily make the major one seem more isolated than it really is.
Or scale arrow size by MAU, I don’t know.
That sounds like a great idea, that’s some of the most important information.
Ah, thankyou! As a lazy person not sure who my instance was blocking, I now know. Excellent. Better find an instance who doesn’t block any instances.
Hexbear uses a whitelist so they are not federated with a bunch of these instances besides .world
The Hexbear Great Firewall exists to keep the Beanis contained
I know lots of folks look at this and see a shattering of the what they expect. The Fediverse is NOT a platform. Lemmy.world is NOT the Threadiverse. Let’s break these bonds. I left a server because I was suspected of being a CIA plant. I went to one that was more welcoming. I found they were too strict for me on their rules. I left that. I’m not on piefed.social. I’m planning on running my own piefed for ME and MY family/friends hopefully SOON^TM. If someone defederates from me, that’s ok, they didn’t want me to be a part of their community. MY community still exists.
These aren’t platforms that are out there trying to save the entire world. They’re building a community that interconnects to other communities. Don’t like how they’re doing it, you can literally spin up your own for dollars per month.
Yes, if you want your stuff to be found you have to advocate for it.
I think the Trek communities are stand outs of how this works and how it should be done. Think of like old Forum days. Normally folks would create a forum for a specific topic and other thigns would go other places. But now those forums connect and you can run your own and connect to everyone.
Break this idea that this major pillars disconnecting are fracturing the fediverse. IMO the more small instances we have the stronger the network.
So build a Piefed/Lemmy/Mastodon/GoToSocial/Bonfire whatever for your community and then allow those to connect out to others.
The idea of this change is scary though. And maybe I’m wrong. Maybe we can’t exist the way I hope we do. But I think humans strive for community and communication and we have a new way to provide it to them.
Besides, and related to “not being a platform”, it helps break the idea of everyone having to share the same space with everyone. If two groups can’t have a healthy relationship, it is healthier for them to cut ties with each other. Meanwhile, the oligarchic platforms being as big and with barely any internal borders makes for the toxic environment of places like Reddit and Twitter that predates recent polemics.
Well said, agent Johnson.
God bless the U.S. of A
Don’t like how they’re doing it, you can literally spin up your own for dollars per month.
Not so easy.
Mostly a liability issue.
First there’s security - make sure the server doesn’t get compromised.
Then you need to figure out how to deal with illegal content like CSAM (was already a widespread issue on Lemmy at least once, causing multiple instances to shutdown) - even on private instance due to content caching.
And legal issues such as minimum age and privacy regulations that you’d have to comply with.3rd one is not an issue if you only use it yourself, and perhaps with a couple of friends that won’t try to sue you when they get mad.
There are 500 Lemmy instances and 80 PieFed instances which are too small to show on the graph :)
It would be cool if every instance were a circle, and then you could see the lines
Agreed. Its federated. Let instances do thier thing. It gives us more options not less.
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I always thought that people are drawn into the default instances because they have less friction to sign up and login in third-party apps. Along with new people not quite grasping how the fediverse works when they start using it.
Yes. This. Big Tech has taught folks that there’s only ONE place to sign up. We have to help folks realize, and undo the damage, of centralization. And that’s going to be a very personal and community minded idea. We shouldn’t be going up to everyone and yelling “SIGN UP TO MASTODON!” Because we’ll get “how?” And the answer will be mastodon.social. Instead we need to find groups, let’s say your local gaming group and say “hey I set up this thing that allows us to talk about our local gaming group and OH YEAH it connects to all this other cool shit btw.”
It’s very pretty and a worthwhile attempt, but personally I think it’s rather unreadable lol. All you need is four circles for the four major groups that defederate.
It would be cool to have something like the internet map but of the fediverse
There is https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/map but I don’t know how accurate it is
edit: it looks completely off at first glance lol
The similar color makes it slightly difficult to read but the graph is better, and easier to understand. Anyways, you are skilled, good job :3
Yeah the 3 yellows really are hard to differentiate.
I’m on sh.ijust.works because it has a bad word in it. I don’t know what you’re all complaining about
Amen, sib. If there’s one with cunt in its name we’ll go there!
