Many bike computers will show up as mass storage if you plug it them into your computer and you will be able to get the GPX files out of there without using some app or server or proprietary service.

Which ones? That’s (one of) the kind(s) of information I was trying to find out from this thread!

Is the Wahoo computer absolutely tied to the Wahoo app (as in, that app being the only way to get data off the device), or are there other ways to do it (a third-party app or mounting the bike computer as a filesystem and copying files off)?

Does either the Wahoo device or app ever behave badly (e.g. nag you to upgrade to a paid tier, display other ads at you, try to trick you into sending Wahoo your data even after you said no, etc.)?

(Basically, if I settle for a proprietary device and/or software, I want to pick the stuff least likely to abuse me that way.)

It’s also easy to get lost in chasing the “is this ride improving my performance” trap. If training is your interest and you’re genuinely wanting to see stats improving all that can help and more power to you. But if you also like riding your bike for fun, mental health, getting into nature, etc. remember that it’s ok to skip all the data and just have a ride that puts a smile on your face too.

Right now I mostly ride for utility/transportation purposes, but that isn’t enough to keep me in shape. I’m trying to “game-ify” it a little bit so that I exercise more consistently. (Speaking of which, I’d like an open source alternative to Zwift too, LOL)

Of the various proprietary bike computers, are they all equally sketchy/enshittified? Or are some brands less bad than others?

Right, that’s why I’m asking about bike computers (or a smartphone with an ANT+ dongle and appropriate software). I wanted data from several types of ANT+ sensors (speed, cadence, heart rate, maybe even a power meter eventually) and that’s part of why I was questioning your suggestion of a smart watch instead.

A Pebble has a heart rate monitor built in, I think, but can those other sensors pair with it?

It’s the only open source heart rate monitor that Im aware of.

Are the ANT+ heart rate monitor chest straps not just sorta generic? I realize that’s not the same as being open source, but if they’re too single-function to be running nontrivial software at all then I don’t care that much.

I mean not for navigation. But what do you need other than that? My friend send me safe routes to ride and I need some way to navigate them so that’s why I have one.

Well, I was thinking it’d be nice to see info like speed, cadence, and other sensor data while I ride. And I admit, the fancier features on some bike computers, like “hill climb planning,” seemed kinda neat.

Are there major differences in bike computer brands re: compatibility with third-party services and devices, or does everything just support standards? I get the impression that Wahoo and Garmin are the most prominent brands, but does that translate into “ecosystem” advantages?

Hmm, looking at Gadgetbridge, iGPSSPORT bike computers are "mostly supported, " so that’s helpful. The page lists a bunch of them individually but not the cheap BSC100S I was thinking about, so I wonder if that one doesn’t work or if it just isn’t tested.

Aside from it being open source, is there a reason you mentioned Pebble? Would a smart watch instead of a bike computer give a good experience for biking?

Do you even begin to understand how fucking presumptuous it is to assume I need to be told that? I have been riding bikes for decades and have never used a bike computer. I wanted advice for the thing I don’t already know plenty about, not the thing that I do!

You two need to get a clue that this discussion is supposed to be about bicycling and your high horses aren’t welcome.

You just want to pontificate and aren’t paying attention to anything I’m actually saying. I don’t want the proprietary shit normies think is good. A random LBS employee will not be able to help me – case in point, you sure as hell aren’t!

What I need is advice from people at the intersection of bicycling and being Free Software weirdos. Hence asking on Lemmy.

This.

No, not “this.” That guy is an asshole trying to tell me that what I want is wrong. For the record, I actually do want what I asked for and do not have an X/Y problem.

Thank you for the advice about using old pre-enshittification versions of apps, though.

What an absolutely disrespectful, trash comment.

First of all, who the fuck do you think you are, to be calling me “neurotic?”

Second, I don’t want to “be tracked;” I want to track myself for my own use. Get it right.

Third, if I didn’t want that I wouldn’t have posted to begin with. So WTF do you think you’re accomplishing trying to condescendingly tell me my wants are wrong?

If you don’t have anything useful to say, delete your bullshit and don’t say anything at all.

With Aliexpress, I expect cheap crap and I’m never disappointed. The key is to only shop for the kind of stuff where cheap crap is good enough.

why include an instance that doesn’t?

Because it lets you see how common or uncommon defederations are relative to the total set of all instances (or at least, all minus the long tail of very-low-user-count ones). And although it would make the graph larger, it would also make it sparse and IMO that would also be easier to read.

It could also give a misleading impression that all instances defederate or are defederated by somebody, making people think it’s more common than it actually is. (Or maybe not doing that, if you include all^ish instances and it still ends up being not very sparse.)

To be fair, it’s not as if it supports languages other than fucking Javascript anyway, so it mostly doesn’t matter.

Edit: I don’t want to split hairs about modules or json or whatever; I just want to be salty about how we could’ve had Scheme or Python in the browser.

even though the implementation was questionable

The implementation was not questionable. The implementation was blatantly nefarious and he fucking knew it, because why else would he have tried to hide it?

That’s roughly what I remember: the threats were against “zionists” or “genociders” or similar, not any particular user by name, but this guy basically told on himself by interpreting it personally anyway.

(It’s possible I’m unaware of other, more egregious, behavior as the situation escalated, but I think this was at least the thing that started the pearl-clutching initially.)

True, but two hyphens is at least the correct way to do it when using a typewriter or limited character set. Using only one hyphen goes past lazy all the way to wrong.

When being lazy, an em dash should be replaced with two hyphens.

I just bought new glasses and got an IR-blocking lens coating that’s supposed to thwart facial recognition from things like these and Flock cameras and whatnot. It’s not active disruption via electronics, but it is a countermeasure…

I looked up how to date the globe based on which countries are in existence on it.

Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1688/