Eh, a cursory glance at their proposed policies is more than enough to convince me they’re fascist. Ethnic purity, ending welfare, rejecting non-classical art, rejecting international alliances, and for some reason making all kids eat red meat daily.
All of those things are either directly fascist or closely associated with modern fascist culture wars.
That’s entirely possible. I don’t agree with everything he says, and I’ve since learned from reliable sources of various disgusting comments made by him in person. But I’m still not going to use “Flamman” as a reliable source. They are not a reliable publication. And they are not taken seriously in Sweden.
It would be a bit like taking what “FOX News” says about US Democrats as a reliable source of unbiased information.
Fox News May be known for their opinion segments, but their journalism team is actually competent, and their polling teams are some of the best around.
Yeah that’s what I did. I looked up the OP policies, and rapidly identified them as almost certainly fascist. Which was the original question. Not the source credibility.
Remigration is ethnic cleansing, basically going further than what Trump and ICE is doing in the USA right now. You don’t need to know more about them.
The other side of this is that Sweden is now 8.1% Muslim. It’s inevitable that people get fed up with this. No matter if it’s right or wrong, people hate it. Especially when the economic outlook is grim.
That is a very strong statement. What’s your source of them wanting to achieve an ethnic cleansing with forced deportation of Swedish citizens? Taking steps that go beyond Trumps ICE.
Yikes. I followed the sources listed and yeah, the dude is legit unhinged. Not only for what he wants, but that he also thinks it’ll be possible.
Things he suggest and wants require changes to the constitution. And changes to the constitution takes more than 4 years as it has to span over the next election cycle and be voted on (again) by the following elected government.
He confirmed it. Mullvad has literally nothing to do with it. It’s a private donation.
The point is. You’re listening to hardline socialists pointing at a party they disagree with screaming “facism!” And go like “oh… well, if they say so it must be the case”
And you are out here trying to, for whatever reason, claim that it is ok and Mullvad’s stance on the issue is in no way related to any of this. Among a myriad of reasons why this is not ok, Daniel Berntsson is not a departed or “retired” co-founder he plays an active role in the company’s policies and own %50 of it. So yes he has power to affect company policies in a major way.
You are free to do what you wish. He is free to do what he wishes with his money. The other co-founder is free to think whatever he wants about it.
The only thing I’ve done is bringing up that “flamman” is not a reliable publication. And should not be used as the main source of any claim. Since then a smörgårdsbord of other more reliable sources have been dug up that corroborate the reporting of the party’s views on certain topics.
Bro are you fucking illiterate? You said the source is weak and I said Mullvad literally confirmed it happened. I didn’t say Mullvad donated anything you fucking dumb fuck. Jesus Christ.
I like how you have this one specific point about rejecting a logical fallacy but everyone is like no they suck and you’re like yeah they suck but these specific facts and then people are down voting you like you’re supporting fascists.
It’s such the human condition of like if you’re not with us you’re against us
You do you. But I wouldn’t trust anyone on the sole basis that they claim they subscribe to a specific ideology. That has to be the dumbest shit I’ve heard today.
But I wouldn’t trust anyone on the sole basis that they claim they subscribe to a specific ideology.
Almost as dumb as rejecting someone based on their ideology alone? Or do you have any resources to prove their journalism is biased apart from that “they are socialists”. You have been out here for days shitting on this news paper “Flamman” that you yourself have admitted to hearing for the first time
Nor have I ever heard of this publication “Flamman”, that also claims to be some old socialist newspaper.
You have not presented a single source as to why they are biased apart from them being “socialists”. You have also been going around trying to shit on other resources as much as you can, blaming people of not providing enough resources and saying things like “misinformation is how propaganda spreads”. These are all applications of the “accusation in the mirror”.
How did you find out they were fascist?
Check the link under the post.
You know that’s the least credible source and literally, as biased as you can get. A self proclaimed “Socialist newspaper”.
How did we go from “don’t believe everything you see on the Internet” to “i’m gonna believe this is true because it says so on this website!”?
Eh, a cursory glance at their proposed policies is more than enough to convince me they’re fascist. Ethnic purity, ending welfare, rejecting non-classical art, rejecting international alliances, and for some reason making all kids eat red meat daily.
All of those things are either directly fascist or closely associated with modern fascist culture wars.
That’s entirely possible. I don’t agree with everything he says, and I’ve since learned from reliable sources of various disgusting comments made by him in person. But I’m still not going to use “Flamman” as a reliable source. They are not a reliable publication. And they are not taken seriously in Sweden.
It would be a bit like taking what “FOX News” says about US Democrats as a reliable source of unbiased information.
Fox News May be known for their opinion segments, but their journalism team is actually competent, and their polling teams are some of the best around.
You’re arguing with a troll, he’s not out after facts, just to push his fascist views by trying to muddy the waters.
I’m sure they are. But you would look for other sources to confirm or deny. Because you know they are known to be biased.
“Flamman” however is closer to Alex Jones Info Wars than FOX News. Minus the peddeling of protein shakes or whatever it was
Yeah that’s what I did. I looked up the OP policies, and rapidly identified them as almost certainly fascist. Which was the original question. Not the source credibility.
Remigration is ethnic cleansing, basically going further than what Trump and ICE is doing in the USA right now. You don’t need to know more about them.
The other side of this is that Sweden is now 8.1% Muslim. It’s inevitable that people get fed up with this. No matter if it’s right or wrong, people hate it. Especially when the economic outlook is grim.
That is a very strong statement. What’s your source of them wanting to achieve an ethnic cleansing with forced deportation of Swedish citizens? Taking steps that go beyond Trumps ICE.
That is what remigration means. See the sources on the wikipedia page. I doubt they’d put out such a blatant lie.
Yikes. I followed the sources listed and yeah, the dude is legit unhinged. Not only for what he wants, but that he also thinks it’ll be possible.
Things he suggest and wants require changes to the constitution. And changes to the constitution takes more than 4 years as it has to span over the next election cycle and be voted on (again) by the following elected government.
Mullvad themselves confirmed it.
He confirmed it. Mullvad has literally nothing to do with it. It’s a private donation.
The point is. You’re listening to hardline socialists pointing at a party they disagree with screaming “facism!” And go like “oh… well, if they say so it must be the case”
Lol, even the Mullvad coowner Daniel Berntsson’s here himself displayed his displeasure with this fact
‘I don’t like that he made this donation’ — Mullvad CEO reacts to co-founder’s donation to controversial Swedish populist party
And you are out here trying to, for whatever reason, claim that it is ok and Mullvad’s stance on the issue is in no way related to any of this. Among a myriad of reasons why this is not ok, Daniel Berntsson is not a departed or “retired” co-founder he plays an active role in the company’s policies and own %50 of it. So yes he has power to affect company policies in a major way.
Directly from Mullvad
Mullvad VPN AB and its parent company Amagicom AB are 100% owned by founders Fredrik Strömberg and Daniel Berntsson who are actively involved in the company.
Here is another resource with detailed comparisons:
Mullvad Owner Controversy: Daniel Berntsson’s 5 Million SEK Donation Explained
You are free to do what you wish. He is free to do what he wishes with his money. The other co-founder is free to think whatever he wants about it.
The only thing I’ve done is bringing up that “flamman” is not a reliable publication. And should not be used as the main source of any claim. Since then a smörgårdsbord of other more reliable sources have been dug up that corroborate the reporting of the party’s views on certain topics.
Direct quote from you and factual error:
Also flamman is completely unrelated to this particular topic though you do really like bringing that up.
Both quotes are factually correct. The company Mullvad is not involved.
You are wrong. Mullvad themselves confirmed it. Quit being a joker.
https://xcancel.com/mullvadnet/status/2070861905036509575
How about you read what you link…
in the very link you send me, they confirm, that it’s Daniel, as a private individual that have donated. NOT them as a company.
So please, clarify to me what I’m wrong about
Bro are you fucking illiterate? You said the source is weak and I said Mullvad literally confirmed it happened. I didn’t say Mullvad donated anything you fucking dumb fuck. Jesus Christ.
Very likely a troll. Worse yet, a fed. They’re all over this thread trying to defend fascists.
No but you are. I said it was a private donation. You go “wrong! Mullvad themselves confirmed it!”
I just adore how everyone here are experts about this one irrelevant local Swedish party that 97% of swedes had never even heard of until recently.
I like how you have this one specific point about rejecting a logical fallacy but everyone is like no they suck and you’re like yeah they suck but these specific facts and then people are down voting you like you’re supporting fascists.
It’s such the human condition of like if you’re not with us you’re against us
I migrated here from Reddit expecting a bit better open debate or opinion. nope same tribal fueled outrage bullshit with zero critical thinking.
when did the internet become you either agree with me or you’re fascist/nazi or on “on the fence enabler” its really pathetic
Everyone are just experts on this one irrelevant local swedish party that 97% of swedes have never even heard of.
I’m convinced you’re a fed or a troll. No one is this dense. You made a claim, got proven wrong, and immediately changed the goal posts.
Be honest with yourself at least. You are trying to downplay this because you want it to go through.
I trust socialists way more than I trust capitalists. Socialists want to liberate the world, capitalists want to enslave it.
You do you. But I wouldn’t trust anyone on the sole basis that they claim they subscribe to a specific ideology. That has to be the dumbest shit I’ve heard today.
Almost as dumb as rejecting someone based on their ideology alone? Or do you have any resources to prove their journalism is biased apart from that “they are socialists”. You have been out here for days shitting on this news paper “Flamman” that you yourself have admitted to hearing for the first time
You have not presented a single source as to why they are biased apart from them being “socialists”. You have also been going around trying to shit on other resources as much as you can, blaming people of not providing enough resources and saying things like “misinformation is how propaganda spreads”. These are all applications of the “accusation in the mirror”.
Sure. Have i rejected something on the sole basis of someones ideology? No.
The fact they are a political publication means by definition that they’re biased.
If they weren’t, they’d be politically neutral.
It’s sad, that this has to be explained to you.
I did indeed hear about them for the first time recently, and the more i learned about them. The worse it got. They’re not considered reliable
Yes you have rejected the credibility of a publisher you have encountered for the first time solely based on their ideology.
Provide resources about what you have learned about them.
https://medieombudsmannen.se/beslut/flamman-klandras-for-skadande-rattelse-om-skolentreprenoren-barbara-bergstrom/
https://medieombudsmannen.se/beslut/mediernas-etiknamnd-klandrar-flamman-for-text-i-nyhetsbrev/
Enjoy
If you want to read way more stupid things you can read your own posts.