There are a few weird guys in there that I wasn’t already aware of. I knew that Louis Rossmann was kind of an asshole, but being openly active on kiwifarms is actually fucked up.
hey motherfuckers, if you’re going to come at devault in this thread for doing the work, have something better than this weak fash shit, thanks
Damn, I didn’t know ThePrimeagen was also a weard little freak. I didn’t watch his videos often tho.
I only knew Lunduke from his Linux sucks series and was surprised to see him on this list. so I did a quick search and found lunduke keeps his own ‘software politics tracker’ which of course does not track all politics, but just “woke”, “leftist” and “dei”.
Apparently Gnome just celebrating trans day of inclusion is a bad thing. Ugh. Wish I’d never given that guy my time and attention.
according to him, the Linux foundation also ‘pledged fealty to the UN’. wtf even is that supposed to mean? is this common conspiracy shit or is he completely off his rocker?
I’ve never any suckless software, but it kind of sucks seeing them on here. I liked the Idea of their software philosophy, even if it wasn’t for me.
Friiiick, the ladybird dev? I’ve been keeping the project in the back of my mind until it’s ready for daily use. I was so pumped for an open browser
maybe look at servo then? that one’s also not getting vibecoded
oh yeah he’s an enthusiastic techfash
I’m so glad to see homophobic catholic extremist Jeff Geerling made the cut. I resent that I followed him for years without knowing how much hate he holds in his heart for me.
Also glad Louis Rossmann is getting his due callout here. He definitely does a lot of good but he does and says some truly inexcusable shit.
The weirdness is much less visible in Primeagen’s content nowadays (albeit I’ve almost completely stopped watching it so maybe it’s now getting more overt?), I’m not overly surprised devault has nothing concrete to point at - in fact I wouldn’t be surprised if he has scrubbed the more egregious things from his youtube channel.
It’s never been big attention-grabbing things but more a certain level of crypto-fashy offhanded remarks and general vibes - been brought up in the weekly snarks a few months back.
The biggest recent criticism I could make is having DHH on fire over an hour with allegedly no pushback on how terrible his “distro” is given how much primagen supposedly prides himself on his technical prowess. Then again, he’s not using omarchy himself so what does he care if the rubes in his audience get duped into trashing their machines?
I watched half of the DHH interview in awe of the non stop glazing. Blocked his channel after that embarrassing display.
I’m commenting on Jack Dorsey, might apply to others…
Support for questionable persons might be a good reason to shame him - I’d like to see a bigger picture in all those cases. Is he focusing on assholes, or does he support 1000 projects including left extremists, right extremists or whatever to support “cool projects”? While anyone supporting the [far] right should be shamed, the perspective is important - to me at least.
Shaming him for supporting “censorship resistant infrastructure” because “weirdos like those” is… horrible. A few days ago A/I gave up. We need censorship resistant infra! We need Tor and alike. Yes, bad people will use it. There is no simple solution. Banning/shaming “censorship resistant infra” for being that is no solution.
If you protest against his presence and you win (by him withdrawing) don’t use it against him. That’s kind of lame. He gave in, you won. Take the win and move on.
after 33 years online I can confidently say that “censorship resistance” is overwhelmingly a right-wing shibboleth
The “censorship resistance” being criticised here is in support of free speech absolutism: posting propaganda, misinformation and brigading and trolling people with no recourse. This is bad and has real and meaningful consequences for people like Jason Arday who was recently driven-to-suicide for being black and successful amid false plagiarism allegations and a media witch hunt.
I agree that left leaning causes also need resilient comms infra to allow for organisation. Unfortunately these issues are two sides of the same coin. I think it is completely fair to criticise people like Dorsey who left bluesky in 2024 because of their moderation approach which is hardly heavy handed - especially if you are a far right hater of trans people . We can condemn this behaviour and also hold the belief that we need resilient infra that the government can’t easily seize.
This sounds way more nuanced than the reasons given on the site we are discussing. I can agree with you in the points you make.
nuanced
oh fuck off
Oh for sure and I am definitely strong Manning Drew’s post to the max here. If it turns out he just generally means that resilient infra is bad with no nuance then I agree with your original point.
Rossmann’s shitty YouTube comment (linked to from this list) seems to expose his insecurities about gender and obesity and how he externalizes those insecurities to judge others.
there’s a few names i’d probably add; one is peter simon, known as probono, the appimage maintainer, a professional wayland hater (he’s maintaining a ginormous gist that lists the failures of wayland, most of which is not true, not true anymore or at least grossly exaggerated).
I think this list was naming them fascists originally. But now he relaxed the definition and included even more.
What is the purpose of publishing such a wide reaching (shit)list of people? When it was naming them fascists he was exposing himself to defamation lawsuits I’m pretty sure.
Drew certainly gives the ick with such passive agressive stuff. Maybe he should put himself on that list of his as well.
fuck off fash
Calling someone a fascist is hardly defamation in US law, especially since basically everyone on the list are working towards a society where it’s absolutely fine to call them fascists, because they’re fascists and want to make fascism great again.
OK maybe not RMS
Calling someone a fascist is hardly defamation in US law
Drew immigrated to Netherlands if my memory serves me right. I do not know know their laws on the topic but defamation lawsuits are a real thing. I suspect this is the reason for rewording.
OK maybe not RMS
What about Gerling? Maybe some others as well? It’s a grave accusation.
the point is to have a catalogue, and to realise how bad the situation is.
Like Gerling putting up two blogposts 15 years ago? Sorry but this is some bullshit. I cannot consider Drew to be a good faith actor. It all started with his weird RMS allegations and now this. Maybe kiwifarms is the place for him.
there was nothing weird about RMS allegations
It sure was, especially considering the counter accusations which he never responded to.
it sure wasn’t, considering that rms’ highly problematic antics are well known for literal decades, and ddv only amplified them.
if not for the fact the bylaws of fsf basically give stallman control over the foundation no matter who’s voted into the board, he’d be ousted many times.
Never realized Stallman did a Zuckerberg before Zuckerberg did, that’s worth knowing and definitely not a point in his favor
i mean, there must come a reckoning, and believe me that every single dude on that list will try to memoryhole their activities
i just don’t understand why it seems like every (mostly white) dude just wants to shit on other people for no good reason. i really don’t understand. takes more effort to be trash and the outcome sucks for literally everyone, them included, yet they still just love be hateful in some weird way.
tacobuttplug guys! get it! you get it!
…I don’t get it.
i don’t see an issue with making a list of really bad people as a means of warning others to stay away
can you elaborate?
It sucks when you see someone that you thought was doing good work turn out to be a weirdo
Damn I did not know about Geerling, kinda a bummer, but in the way that I’m not surprised
Somehow I thought DeVault would’ve had the self reflexive humour to add himself to the list as well. Between his impulsive outbursts and lolicon allegations (from people he had impulsive outbursts at), and with tongue firmly in cheek, surely he could qualify.
yeah you know we don’t actually need you to fashjacket devault here, thanks
I think it’s safe to say that any kind of chronically online “celebrity”/well-known person in open source space with “strong” opinions on everything is more than a little weird. It just goes with the territory.
