The damage is done. Unless there’s a sudden reversal of cultural attitudes, the US has given up. The only way I see this happening is if the space race sparks another push for STEM.
Like, actual STEM. It seems like nobody has noticed but all anybody has cared about anymore is watching the stock market go up. It’s no longer about the pursuit of science and technology but how that can be used to make money.
They need to land some people on the moon again. Make it a big deal about sci-fi type shit. Orbit space stations around the Earth and the moon. Make it a daily life kind of thing that the population can get engaged with.
It’s apparent that people are weary of technology anymore cause all we’ve had is brain rot designed to extract value from us. People need to see science and technology as something hopeful again.
With the price of tuition now a days, and an already poor education system as it were, I don’t think the US is getting back to anything.
Only reason for an education seems to be to join a tech company. I have a hunch that too much IT has sapped all other sectors of the best graduates, hence why everything else is so understaffed and expensive.
it seem everyone was getting into tech like 10 years ago, it might finally be bursting? but i dont think they will have severe lack of jobs, like stem would right now or even 10 years ago. biotech has been kept small as far as the job pool goes, but the field seems to have shortages in those areas, maybe they figured out they dont want to compete with scientists salaries so they gatekeep BS/MS graduates.
the only stem that is doing really well is bio> to nursing degree, or some health related same kind of demand, buts its extremely skewed towards 1 demographic.
the tuition is one of the least problems, the job field prior to AI, pandemic was pretty bad for stem as it is. and its badly gatekeeped for research. they go to great lengths to avoid hiring domestic applicants.
The only way I see this happening is if the space race sparks another push for STEM.
Only reason the space race resulted in US technological superiority was because they didn’t Gulag former Nazi scientists.
USA is very much cooked.
yup, we got some of thier rocket scientists and russia got other group. we though it was a deal to get Japanese bioweapon scientists but turned out it wash just pseudoscience or very objective experimentations.
Stem jobs are noticeably stagnant as far as they way they hire especially how much bs they pull to keep people form applying online. more often than not your application will never seen by a person, especially with AI in the mix now. even before AI they had software to just randomly screen people anyways. ghost jobs, fake listings in order to have an excuse they cant find anyone, or had hire one with extremely specific skills that they had int he company(like you cant even get those experience in a normal university)
Not just in science. In everything.
America is being lapped by a fascist Pooh Bear because 30% of Americans are mouthbreathers with Bible kinks.
Intelligent people aren’t going to stay in a country that doesn’t respect intelligence.
They’ll take their knowledge elsewhere. It’s in high demand in other first world countries.
Sometimes I forget one of Trump’s first agendas was nuking research funding and using a keyword filter against grant submissions that had words like “trans” without conntext.
Seems like so long ago compared to an active war with Iran.
Was that in 2017 or 2025? There’s been so much terribleness that it’s hard to sort out…
While the states is busy overtaking Turkmenistan as Worlds Weirdest Dictatorship
But how many variations of “peace” prize did Turkmenistan’s “dear leader” solicit? What’s his ratio of “peace” prizes to wars started?
What is so weird about Turkmenistan? Is it where they have a huge shiny statue of their previous “leader”? Not too weird…
A wonderful series of photo-heavy blog posts about Ashgabat, Turkmenistan can go some way to answering this question.
Wow, thanks so much for sharing this. I value this small glimpse into a part of the world I know next to nothing of. I loved how the low amount of text in these posts enhanced the surreal feeling of the images, e.g. an image captioned by “[place] empty at noon”, followed by an image captioned “[place] empty at night”
you forgot “[place] empty in the evening” between these two :-)
Most countries have that, no? Mount Rushmore comes to mind
That’s just America’s fascism peeking out to remind you it was always there.
They just ran out of large populations of local brown people to oppress so they go over seas to do it now.
I think it’s the guy obsessed with horses.
To be fair, those are some very fuckable horses. For people into stuff like that, I mean,
It’s like that movie based on real life, “the death of Dick Long”
The people who control capital and the levers of power in the west no longer care about the primacy of the United States in any sense. It was only ever just a mechanism they used to consolidate their power by using our economic system and our military for their own ends (see: “War is a Racket”)
Now they’re pulling up the drawbridge, boarding their super yachts, the escape plans drawn up decades ago. America is left a hollow shell with only the sad remnants of broken promises left behind.
“Is overtaking?” Sorry buddy, that point lies in the past. China dominates nearly all of the relevant future technologies and is still ramping up its investments. There’s no stopping them now.
China sent their best and brightest to be educated in American colleges, which American kids can’t get without taking on a lifetime of student debt. Most American kids aren’t rich enough to deserve to be smart.
It’s okay, though, we’ll need those bodies for the war. Trump is competing against Putin numbers for sacrifices. 1.2 million so far in Ukraine. Trump has some catching up to do. He wants to be able to brag to his Sociopathic Oligarch buddies at dinner at Maralago about how many soldiers have died for him, and the higher the number the better. That’s how much they love him.
American students don’t need college, that’s for the Chinese who build our stuff. The Draft is coming for American students. They should be willing to die to protect American Freedom.®
The US paid the best and brightest foreigners to teach in American colleges.
Even in the AI sector they seem to be only a pace or two behind. Their models are as good and require less compute. It really does feel like we are falling behind in everything.
Even in the AI sector
they said relevant future technologies
Solid burn
In some ways their AI might even be better at this point. I’ve talked with Claude users complaining that their AI kept skipping steps and I haven’t had that problem with GLM 5.
“Their models are as good and require less compute.”
In a sense, this is exactly why I think that China will inevitably overtake the US in this field too. Even besides things like Deepseek, which distills LLMs dominant in the US into a more streamlined model, China also seems to be putting more resources into researching AI that doesn’t need to start out with mahoosive amounts of data.
US post WW2 boom is over and they squandered it.
We have been running on old money for decades. We used China for our slave labor, and now they make the best stuff and don’t need us. That’s why the US is 70% service industry now. We are basically two rich trust fund babies jerking ourselves from off surrounded by slave labor, but eventually we run out of money. We are at the running out of money phase
Yeah but this is round two: science boogaloo. We have a government actively hostile to science and research, throwing away where we still had a leading position.
In particular, we’re reversing the brain drain from China. If they’re becoming slightly less repressive and welcome science while we’re cutting research, cutting legal immigration, driving cuts by racism and judging research by whether the ai classifies it as “woke”, too many researchers who would have come here may no longer feel welcome
The US still holds the reserve currency, that they force other countries to use via military force. Which allows them to export their inflation, and to print money to build up the military they use to protect its usage.
I think the problem is the population got too heavy into taking in debt via this mechanism, always asking for more and more tax cuts and more social programs, and China themselves stopped buying US treasuries in 2016. Then locking Russia out of US bonds further exacerbated the issue, as its no longer seen as a neutral asset, so bond yields rise as less people buy them.
Then the tariffs and higher interest rates cause debt crisis in other countries by limiting their access to USD, which makes them attempt to move away, which is likely how gold prices nearly doubled in a single year. Its pretty wild whats happening.
Where are these social programs?
The US federal government is a well armed pension fund.
Well technically social security is a social program, as it medicare, given they are funded by debt. Those are the vast majority.
This is exactly what is happening with gold. Everyone dumping usd for gold right now
Most boom was due to the cold war, US got rid of its only rival and went rogue and shot itself in the foot
Already done, bruh. 10 years of Republicans tearing down everything led to this. Not a shocker.
It’s been more like 40 years of Republican rule.
It’s truely a team effort the Republicans and Democrats are the ratchet effect manifested.
The FPTP system ensures you will only get those two choices so if you want to effect change its probably easiest to do it at the primary level.
People always say ‘progressives can’t get elected nationally’ or whatever forgetting FPTP ensures things will swap back (under the assumption that one side doesn’t flip fascist before that happens, big assumption in this climate I know) because eventually people will tire of the person in power and either vote for ‘change’ or stay home.
They’re banning books, that says a lot.
Usually I would agree with you, but in this context, I am fairly sure China bans more book than the U.S.
Who knew that taking funding for scientific research away from government institutes and universities and giving it to ketamine-addicted con men would have negative consequences.
it’s not negative to the con men. a nation of science-averse suspicious uneducated half wits is exactly what they need to stay in power
but also stagnate
Kings of ashes are worth less than the ground they stand upon.
It is not just cutting research funding, but also making migrating to the US much much harder. The US has amazing pay for the absolute top researchers, which makes it attractive for even migrants from other developed countries. However life in most other countries is better then one of the new migrant concentration camps the US is building with ICE.
Probably the Anglosphere apart from the US and then other rich developed countries will benefit fro this the most. They all have somewhat working migration systems in place to attract talent. China so far lacks that, but they probably set one up soon.
Yes, that little bump the Americans got after the 1940s because of some, er… “immigrants” has long since run out.
Let’s call it a prolonged international exchange program.
Immigrants? You have no idea what you are talking about, Von Braun is a good old American name.
Wasn’t his original surname “Merkwürdigliebe”?
It’s not a difficult concept. Conservatives only want money and power. So, religion everybody to death and kill education…specifically science. They require an uneducated population. See MAGA as an example.
Here’s the thing a lot of MAGA aren’t uneducated as in they aren’t lacking an education, they’re stupid, brainwashed, propagandized, cultish, and manipulated but not necessarily any more uneducated than your average progressive or lib. The problem with a lot of them is environmental, you can have the most well educated person but if they grew up in say Seventh Day Adventism then there’s a pretty good chance they’re borderline braindead outside of their specific field due to things like thought terminating cliches.
Conservatism at least in the US has all the hallmarks of a social cult, basically the insidious twin side of the coin a general social movement is part of. It’s reinforced through dozens of different vectors with possibly billions of dollars thrown into it just to maintain the damned thing.
Reminder a lot of fascists have been educated but they were still stupid due to the blind spots created by their ideology. Same exact thing as now.
Maybe because China is not exclusively focusing on Improving AI?
Also because China is not experiencing a religious movement that rejects science.
The evangelicals made a deal with a grifter.
Maybe?
Possibly?
I feel as though the low standard of living of the average Chinese national is a more decisive factor. The resources that could be spent on public welfare programs are spent on research and subsidies instead.
I mean, resources aren’t being spent on public welfare programs in the US either. We only have a higher standard of living because of the legacy of (roughly) the New Deal era, when we were investing in it as well as unions winning a lot of labor reforms. Those preexisting advantages have only been slowly eroding for the last 40-odd years.
They absolutely are.
Let’s say I get into a car accident or have cancer. Treatment involves expensive chemotherapy, blood transfusions, and multiple rounds of major surgery.
If I’m in the poorest 10%-30% of the population, the care is provided free of charge. If I’m poor-but not that poor- I have the option to receive the expensive treatment and just not pay. It will just negatively impact my credit score, but I can also get away with “paying what I can afford.”
…this is just one example. Everything from our food to our electronics are subsidized by the government. Most of the resources are more or less taken from poorer nations. If they don’t play ball, we withhold aid, bribe officials, loan their enemies weapons, or finance a coup.
Saying ‘It will just negatively impact your credit score’ like it’s nothing in a capitalist nation where nearly all financial trust is based on how effectively you pay back your creditors is a pretty wild take.
Especially when a car and home are the bare minimum for most people to be able to function in the US (public transport is laughable anywhere outside a metropolis) and the average person isn’t getting either without a loan.
I wouldn’t be so quick to ignore medical debt. The average retired couple spends $350000 on medical expenses in the US. The system is a lot more dysfunctional than you make it out to be.
It could be better, but even the person with crippling medical debt lives luxuriously relative to the global norm. I think it could be better, but I think it’s important to understand exactly how much we have.
Where we got our excess resources is also relevant. I think it’s important to understand the exact role that weapons manufacturers and corporate chronies play in bolstering our lifestyles. At the end of the day, I don’t think the average citizen wants to know.
Whataboutism lmfao
Running up medical debt, declaring bankruptcy, and expecting the inflated costs being charged by the insurance system to just sort of absorb it is entirely different from the government having public welfare programs!
You do see how it’s different, right?!
Poor Chinese with their 96% home owner rate, great social benefits and no debt.
It’s more like poor China with their average $5000 per year income.
They also have a 0% homeowner rate. All property is owned by the state. As for the houses they do “own”, the typical city apartment or rural homestead is…deficient by Western standards.
All property is owned by the state.
In the US too, if unpaid property taxes mean your home can be foreclosed upon
I think China’s view on property ownership has it’s advantages. Since nearly every piece of land in the US is private property, building infrastructure as simple as bike paths and railroads are a nightmare.
…I guess the government could use foreclosures and eminent domain to get similar results, it’s not as consistent.
Sigh, I’ll dumb it down for you.
if you have 5 rocks and it gets you a house, and another guy has 10 rocks that can only buy a Dr Pepper the guy with 10 rocks is not better off.
And you clearly don’t know anything about the system of home ownership either.
And their homes and cities are far more advanced and clean than let’s say the US shithole’s dilapidated cardboard shacks and glorified trailers. If they have a home that is.
But I should’ve seen your bias from your first silly comment so I’m going to let you be in your delusion and ignorance and not waste my time.I’m having a hard time believing that you live in either China or the United States. You definitely don’t live in the United States because you aren’t familiar with our low income housing; if you do live in China, you’re job is to write these comments.
If there is one thing I learned about Lemmy, it’s that there are quite a few bot handlers that don’t want it to gain momentum. We are going to need some form of identity verification if this community wants to get off the ground.
if you do live in China, you’re job is to write these comments.
LOL man you’re even further gone than I imagined from your previous comment.
You really drank the China bad cool aid.No I don’t live in China but in EU.
As if that matters (to anyone not paranoid and imagining things like yourself)
And it’s perfectly possible to know how people live in the US.
Or do your organizations give false statistics on the massive homelessness and poverty?
And I’ve heard first hand stories from people who went there. (I will never set foot in that banana republic)
All ‘normal’ for the people that do the NY,lA touristy things, but man were my friends shocked when they had the bad idea to bike along a large part of the coast and see the real america.
complete villages with junkies, slums and 3rd world world conditions everywhere.
The crime that came with it ended that trip a lot sooner than they planned.
I have more stories but I guess the people I know are secretely chinese or Russians trying to badmouth the greatest country in the universe.Anyway not buying your BS and maybe you get some verification at a psychologist, if you can afford it that is.
It’s because they make everything and have spare money to spend on research.
The US runs on debt, and we are running out of debt.
Why spend money on new technology when you can ensure our fossil fuel oligarchs are the richest in the world? Why struggle for a place with new technology when you can dominate previous technology?
We have a president with a personal vendetta against wind turbines who exhausted the legal ways to block development of wind farms so is spending $1B to have a company walk away from one
Ngl good explanation
Supremacy in most if not all fields of endeavor by 2049 is a high goal, only accelerated by American political chaos and regression to traditionalism whereupon global disillusionment leads to realignment towards the Middle Kingdom.
