• Kairos@lemmy.today
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    5 days ago

    What part of tiny pie charts was necessary? Just make a heatmap but in dots.

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        All I see is the two colors. If I wanted to have to look closely I would have just opted for a list.

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      How much sense does a heatmap make if you have one data point per country? Also, I don’t know what you mean by dots? (Asking to understand)

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        Put a dot on the map for each data point, or colour regions if that’s how the data is.

        Given this is effectively one piece of data (% of income on rent) you can colour it on a scale. A red dot is 100% on rent. A green dot is 0% on rent. Colours in between represent middle states.

        I actually prefer this though, easier to see detail instead of having to compare shades of colours, our brains have issues with that sometimes. (This can be avoided with a good colour scheme I guess?)

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          Greatly prefer this as well. It’s a lot easier to tell the difference between 50 and 75% with a pie chart than it is with your eyeballs looking at how similar or different two colors are.

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            It’s great for detail, but bad for getting a general look. Could get busy with more data points.

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              I think it’s a good choice for this particular map, but I could imagine a different map with more cities which would be a bad choice for pie charts.

      • Zedd @lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Tirana got crazy quick. 2 years ago we rented a 3 bedroom in the center for €850/month. Now you frequently see 1 bedrooms further out for €1200.

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        Iirc it’s not immigrants but Airbnb. I’ve read articles about it, but it might be somewhere else

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          I’ve read both are true. Tourism + digital nomand, because Portuguese weather is good and lisbon is relatively affordable, but i’m sure a local could give you a better answer.

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              That I don’t know for sure, but they have a short term rental registry and the units are labeled as such and there are signs in some places and a general information campaign warning tourists against “illegal listings.” Every place we stayed (4 total) was on the official registry. My understanding is that airbnb tends to play ball with these laws so as to not get banned, and most of the illegal listings are through scummy travel agents and smaller apps, which has kind of always been an issue.

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          Hate that word “expat”. “I hate immigrants but I’m a white man with money living in a country I wasn’t born in”, or better worded, “immigrant, but also an asshole”

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        It’s the construction restrictions, VAT over construction materials and a big influx of immigration on the last four years or so that are aggravating the housing bubble.

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    This is, quite possibly, the most useless map I’ve seen.

    Not only is it using average salaries, it’s also only looking at country capitals, where executive salaries are notoriously obnoxious.

    For this to have any real-life use, it should be using the median salary, at the very least, and use the average apartment price based on data from, I don’t know, top-10 cities.

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      Came here to see if it was median or not.

      Bern filled with rich people making housing cheap I guess. /j

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        It would look VERY different. The median salary in Poland in 2024 was around €1550. The average monthly rent for an apartment in Warsaw in 2025 is €1440. The average price of groceries for a month in Warsaw is around €220.

        Assuming you work from home and your water/heating/electricity/Internet costs are somehow zero (they aren’t), you’re still -€110 per month, instead of having half your salary left.

        Large cities are notoriously expensive in Poland.

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          Poland did come across as a hard-to-exist-in eastern country on this map as well. The numbers would of course be different, but I’m not sure the pattern would be.

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            What do you mean? According to this map, you need to spend around half of your salary for accommodation, which puts it near the middle of the stack. And, considering the average salaries, would allow you live very comfortably.

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              I guess you’re right. It’s not Vienna, but it’s not Kyiv either.

              Do you think housing would come out worse in Poland than places like Russia or Turkey if it was measured correctly?

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                Housing is pretty bad in Poland overall. Cheapest apartments are also 2+ hours away from any work opportunities. I don’t know enough about the Turkish or russian markets to have an opinion, though.

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    Weird choice to not include cities as big as the capitals. Milan, Zurich and Barcelona would definitely have been interesting.

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      Investment funds hoarding all houses on the market. Entire buildings getting purchased and people evicted, just to transform them in to another boring AirBnB or hostel.

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      Local politicians seem to be more interested in “unicorn factories” and WebSummit show off events than solving the issues of the people that elected them. Twice. So the voters may not be too bright either.

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      Policies that are too welcoming to expats with high incomes and foreign remote workers that like sunny weather and cheap everything.

      Also: air b&b’s and cheap ryanair flights

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        I suppose Portugal could do with a couple more cities with over a million inhabitants. It goes huge Lisbon, then relatively small Porto.

        But Portugal should be for the Portuguese, I feel like the Algarve is mostly Brits and Dutchies

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          I feel like “X should be for the X-people” is maybe not the best phrasing, considering how that tends to play out throughout history.

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            I feel there is a distinction between, let’s call them ‘original inhabitants’, being xenophobic towards refugees and those inhabitants being economically unable to live in their own country due to rich folks buying vacation homes

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    I can’t speak for the other countries, but HOW IN THE FUCK would you even find a 1 bedroom apartment in Berlin?
    Also, the average salary isn’t what someone living in a 1 bedroom apartment would earn.
    I’m over 40, working as an IT sysadmin, and just recently started making an average salary for Germany.
    The average is skewed heavily by the top 10% who make a lot more than everyone else.
    If you want to discuss housing prices, compare with the median instead.

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    Using a pie chart to represent a single (scalar) data point … Bad map! Bad map!