use this map the next time someone tries to tell you that you’re wrong when you say gen-z is filled with MAGA brain rot.
Or there are well educated Gen Z people from blue states who are moving to where to CoL is lower because the economy and job market have been royally fucked by the generations before them?
Or maybe, and far more likely, both are true among other reasons.
why would anybody move to shithole states like Texas, Missouri, Tennessee, Ohio, Arizona?
these are not just Republican strongholds, but have increased COL when compared to states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Maine.
State-level figures are reliable for taxes, school systems and healthcare provision, because those really are set at state level. They are unreliable for housing. A statewide median rent averages a major metropolitan area with rural counties and accurately describes neither of them: the gap between the cheapest and priciest metro inside one large state routinely exceeds the gap between two average states.
Cost of housing ≠ cost of living.
Also, hmmm.
Cost of housing ≠ cost of living.
yet you posted housing costs as a source for COL.
are you using AI or something to argue your point?
If 15,000 people from each state moved to Wyoming, we could take over the entire state in a couple years.
and what would happen to the states they came from?
oh yeah…they’d probably become red state shitholes.
what idiot is moving to hawaii?
gotta be rich fucks, makes me mad
HCOL will cause a migration, plus the lack of jobs for entry levels and recent graduates in MCOL/hcol areas, despite it being hubs, most people that moved in the hcol areas already have a long established career, in tech , biotech(scientist, health)
If Gen Z has 50 million people, then this map shows that they are not moving.
23K is only 0.046% of 50 million.
All together, only half of a single percent have moved, according to this graph.
Seems like everybody’s staying put, and this map means nothing.
It’s net movement, not gross. There’s raw data that shows all 53 x 53 of how those born in the 50 states, District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and overseas live in the 50 states + DC + PR + non-US. I can’t do the analysis easily from my phone, but you can break it out to what percentage of Americans live in a different state of birth. There’s probably raw data that can show the Gen Z specific stats, too.
Well, these are net changes. If some amount of people moves from New York to California and the same amount moves the other direction, it doesn’t show up.
Which means the map means even more nothing.
True. Which begs the question, what is this map for?
I always assume some political angle on posts like these.
I know I am assuming malice when incompetence may be the better answer, but my uninformed speculation leads me to think the mismanaged numbers are trying to send a message.
Well, the map says it’s from realtor.com so the purpose might just be to try to understand and anticipate market trends. It might have relevance to an investor even if it doesn’t tell us much about society or Gen Z. I could see someone spreading it to make it look like people find conservative areas more appealing, but I wouldn’t accuse OP of that without more basis.
I would assume that there are two primary factors at work: cost of living, and economic opportunity. California may be an economic powerhouse, but if you can buy a suburban house in SC for a fraction of its CA equivalent, then that would be a factor. If you’re living in Maine, even if houses are cheap, you might want to go somewhere where more things are happening. It’s not necessarily a matter of people wanting to live in more conservative areas; if conservative policies demolished the local economy and ruined home values, that would mean more cheap real estate that people can afford, regardless of how they feel about the politics of the area.
Important rule when looking at such maps, always ask yourself what the map is not showing
Yeah, I’d like to see per capita numbers.
You get easily over 100k people moving a year and you think this is significantly insignificant?
It is not uncommon for Americans to move multiple times in their lifetime.
There are around 350 million Americans, with 50 to 70 million Gen Z alone.
In that context, yes, 100K is insignificant, being 0.0286% of the total population.
0.0286℅ of the total gen z pop. A change in any individual states gen z population could be significantly over that amount. Adding on the fact that change is additive year after year and yeah the demographics of some states could see significant change after a decade or so.
Take California for example. Roughly 8 million people in gen z age range. Net loss of 58,000 over 10 years that’s 580,000 people or 7.25℅ of the population.
Also not including the fact that this is net migration. There is well over 100,000 people moving into California and that plus 58,000 leaving. Now we’re looking at a total movement of 300,000 people moving in just one generation, in just one state, in just one year.
And aren’t you contradicting yourself by saying “It is not uncommon for Americans to move multiple times in their lifetime” and then saying only 0.0286% are moving and that’s insignificant?
Well, you looked at it, and engaged with it. So, job done?
All the older gens been moving to Missouri. It’s fucked the people from the state. It was a lower wage state with more affordable housing because of it. People from places like California sell off their crazy expensive house, but a home in Missouri, and have a big retirement and a spare six figures. Now people from Missouri can’t afford homes or afford to retire. So many “landlords” are also originally from out of state. They moved here and bought a few extra townhouses so they don’t have to work. I was lucky enough to get a house before things got crazy expensive. What I paid $130k for 15 years ago is now $300k at a much higher interest rate. No one from around here can afford that.
If you add all the positive changes, you get 179k. This is 23.9% of GenZ according to the map, so the map claims there are 749k GenZ in total (of which 23.9% moved).
I’m not sure how they are calculating under 1 million GenZ in 2024. Anyway, the map is still bad for not doing population density per state.
Remember that the numbers on the states are net numbers. If Texas has 500,000 Gen Z emigrants and 511,000 Gen Z immigrants, that only shows up as 11,000 here while still meaning a vastly higher proportion of Gen Z migrating across state lines. If every state paired up with one other one and exchanged 100,000 Gen Z people, you’d have 5,000,000 Gen Z migrants but every state on the map would show zero
Ah right, my bad
WHY ARE YOU GOING TO IDAHO 😭
Chip industry, both potato and RAM
Cheeki Breeki Boris! We have potato salad for dinner every night! Best place on earth!
Lots of GenZ men proudly identify as fascist, so Idaho is the perfect fit.
Cheap potatoes?
I do love me some potatos
It’s such a shithole that housing might still be affordable?
Now as a % to state population for it to be actually relevant
Another population heatmap.
No, it isn’t. Florida and Pennsylvania are some of the most populous states but have pretty small numbers on the map. Washington has a bigger number than Texas despite having a quarter of the population
So why not show it that way as a percent instead of absolute numbers?
Wait, were you saying that the current map is just a population heatmap, or that the proposed per-capita one would be that?
The OP is effectively a heatmap since it isn’t relative to population.
California is the most populous state. Having the largest number of anything isn’t informative.
58,000 people leaving California is insignificant. 58,000 people leaving Wyoming is.
It’s also misleading since it’s net interstate migration. California has (or at least had) an immigration surplus when counting foreign migration.
Oh, and it’s only GenZ. You know, the people most squeezed-out of owning a home that are now having children. Who might be forced to move from a VHCOL area to a LCOL one.
This is a map made by someone with a hateboner for California.
Okay, but while I agree that it’d be good to get the per capita numbers, it’s still definitely not close to a population heatmap. The examples I gave should illustrate that
South Carolina is going to stick out even more with that metric.
Truuuu
South Carolina is cheap as fuck and many likely are working from home. I have coworkers there. Sure they have no rights as humans, but maybe enough will start to sway elections.
I’ll put it this way, when you cross the border and stop at Savannah in Georgia. Man it feels like you escaped a crack den and returned to society, and this is Georgia…
Almost all of that make sense except South Carolina. There’s nothing in South Carolina.
Charleston is just about the only good thing South of Richmond. But like as a place to visit, I can’t imagine wanting to live there.
I hope anyone moving there likes strip malls and unaffordable, cheaply built HOA housing. Because that’s all there is outside of the touristy parts. And traffic
that’s not true. there’s that law that makes playing cards in a pub illegal
So that implies the existence of at least one deck of cards and at least one pub in South Carolina?
I ask, as a genuinely curious North Carolinian.
I’m drunk enough to relay this joke: Why are there so many New Yorkers in North Carolina and so many black people in South Carolina? Because South Carolina won the coin toss.
If we’re looking solely at cost of living, North Dakota compared to South Dakota also doesn’t make much sense.
Cost of living could be $5/year, if you can’t expect to be paid $3/year you’d be a nasal fucking retard for moving there. Again, what’s in North Dakota?
The Irish were fleeing starvation and death during the potato famine, not even THEY moved to North Dakota or South Carolina. What’s there?
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In 2024
California is so expensive… I get it. You get what you pay for sometimes, though.
Poor gen Z can’t pay for jack shit
The factor is money
This is pointless with a cross generational comparison. And even that would be sus due to other confounding factors, like, the economy.
Oh no those who moved to South Carolina…
Economic migration. Young people fleeing high-CoL areas and moving to lower-CoL areas with lots of jobs.
California is just way too expensive!
I feel like expense is only one part of it, because WA is also very expensive to live in and it gained.
