УНН News of the World ✎ In Moscow, a drone struck a residential building on Mosfilmovskaya Street. Mayor Sobyanin reported that there were no casualties
at the scene.
That’s a good moral stance, credit where it’s due. Yet I don’t know how practical it is to take the word of a Russian mayor at face value, with no input from Ukrainian command.
One other thing that doesn’t sit well with me is the way onlookers treat Ukraine as their ‘protagonist’ in this story because they’re a plucky underdog with a morally just logic for defense. I think it puts too much on Ukraine to hold them to the standards we would/should be holding our own countries, many of which no saints.
It doesn’t sound like Ukraine to just attack civilians, that doesn’t help their war aims. Attacking civilians is something Russia does because it does relate to their war aims; namely, genocide.
Unfortunately, there’s no point in targeting civilians in Russia. At this point at least. I’m very saddened by this realisation. But at least we can hope for a wonderful civil war in Russia once they lose this war, can’t we?
I don’t know if there’s much hope even in a general collapse of the government. You go into a revolution with the factions you’ve got, not the ones you want, and Russians are about as badly propagandized and undereducated as Americans. I wouldn’t have much excitement about a civil war in either country right now. That said, I’d definitely say it’s in the cards mid to long term.
I think we agree there. Highly propagandized, downtrodden civilians of authoritarian regimes carry little blame for their rulers’ decisions, and ultimately most of us are just caught up in the gears of history. Rules of this !c are against sympathy for ‘enemy combatants’, not civilians after all.
Without the civilians’ intentional passiveness Putin would be unable to wage this war.
The choice to not know is a _choice_. It is a political decision. One that people make around the end of their teenage years, but a decision all the same.
That decision is what keeps the murder going on.
Also, these drones are not targeting civilians. They are okay. The Russia redirecting them into homes in order to protect Russian military targets is on the Russia’s own responsibility.
Some Russians have resisted, so I don’t see why you’re talking about all Russians having made a moral choice in aggregate. Grace is a choice, also.
There are those I cannot give grace and forgive in my life, but failing to stage a coup against a murderous tyrant does not make me hate all Russian people by default (and I extend this grace to myself as an American, albeit with more effort at times).
Always, some can overcome the propaganda and see through the lies, and then also have the courage to resist. Expecting it of everyone reveals an incomplete knowledge of humanity.
That’s a good moral stance, credit where it’s due. Yet I don’t know how practical it is to take the word of a Russian mayor at face value, with no input from Ukrainian command.
One other thing that doesn’t sit well with me is the way onlookers treat Ukraine as their ‘protagonist’ in this story because they’re a plucky underdog with a morally just logic for defense. I think it puts too much on Ukraine to hold them to the standards we would/should be holding our own countries, many of which no saints.
It doesn’t sound like Ukraine to just attack civilians, that doesn’t help their war aims. Attacking civilians is something Russia does because it does relate to their war aims; namely, genocide.
Unfortunately, there’s no point in targeting civilians in Russia. At this point at least. I’m very saddened by this realisation. But at least we can hope for a wonderful civil war in Russia once they lose this war, can’t we?
I don’t know if there’s much hope even in a general collapse of the government. You go into a revolution with the factions you’ve got, not the ones you want, and Russians are about as badly propagandized and undereducated as Americans. I wouldn’t have much excitement about a civil war in either country right now. That said, I’d definitely say it’s in the cards mid to long term.
Im not even attacking Ukraine, or at least it wasn’t my intent. I just think it’s in poor taste to celebrate this kind of news, be it fake or real.
Nobody is “celebrating this”.
I think we agree there. Highly propagandized, downtrodden civilians of authoritarian regimes carry little blame for their rulers’ decisions, and ultimately most of us are just caught up in the gears of history. Rules of this !c are against sympathy for ‘enemy combatants’, not civilians after all.
@yakko @Bee_R
Without the civilians’ intentional passiveness Putin would be unable to wage this war.
The choice to not know is a _choice_. It is a political decision. One that people make around the end of their teenage years, but a decision all the same.
That decision is what keeps the murder going on.
Also, these drones are not targeting civilians. They are okay. The Russia redirecting them into homes in order to protect Russian military targets is on the Russia’s own responsibility.
Some Russians have resisted, so I don’t see why you’re talking about all Russians having made a moral choice in aggregate. Grace is a choice, also.
There are those I cannot give grace and forgive in my life, but failing to stage a coup against a murderous tyrant does not make me hate all Russian people by default (and I extend this grace to myself as an American, albeit with more effort at times).
Always, some can overcome the propaganda and see through the lies, and then also have the courage to resist. Expecting it of everyone reveals an incomplete knowledge of humanity.