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  • Lol, so the soviets did not have a pact with Nazis and didn’t invade Poland just two weeks after the Nazis?

    My friend, I understand your desire to see Soviet Union as some sort of dualistic opponent of the imperialist US (which the latter is), and use that to declare as the good side, but I’m afraid the USSR was just as imperialist and as terrible, just differently.

    It was way more like two mafia gangs fighting each other. And the one that won is now finally showing its true colours.

    The fundamental approach to equality in the early Soviet Union was via killing all those “not equal”. Lenin was very adamant about using extreme violence to “convince” the population. So was Stalin. The following ones were a little less blood thirsty, but simply because their predecessors did a great job killing millions.

    Sorry, Soviet Union was a tyrannical oligarchy, as far from socialism as its great opponent the US of A.

    By the way, your argument that you don’t know but I also cannot know because I was late to the party (pun intended) is… a very naive one. But I agree with you - you don’t know and fight rather hard to retain your faith.


  • As someone who lived in USSR, slow me to adjust your statement.

    Everyone was declared to have equal rights, not dissimilar to the constitutions of other countries.

    Contrary to those declarations the soviet passports had “nationality” in them.

    On top of that, while it was reasonable for everyone to have a common language, it was a common understanding that if one is too progress in life and career, they should adopt russian and, better, become one. Which was actively supported. While I grew up in Ukraine, in school we had Ukrainian language and literature as a foreign language, maybe 10% of what we spent learning russian ones.

    So yeah, everyone was equal, as long as they are russian. Every other nationality was at best mocked. Ukrainians are greedy, Georgians are brainless machos, Chukchas are stupid, Jews are sneaky thieves etc.

    On top of that, there was systemic discrimination of women which culminated in the joke-proverb “woman, keep your mouth shut, your day is 8th of march”.

    And of course the equality was topped by the oligarchy. See in a one-party system, people are either party members or not. The country was obviously ruled exclusively by the party members, which not only meant that the non-members had zero representation, it also meant that most members had equally zero representation.

    Ironically, in that sense, there was equality since nobody had any rights.

    So a small elite has formed, it was mostly replenished via nepotism and those were the “more equal” ones.

    The patriotic movements you’re mentioning, while they naturally picked the flag after the collapse, had little to do with the said collapse. It crashed because it was resistant to change.

    And the soviets were well aware of the “nationalist danger”, that why after causing holodomor they settled millions of ethnic russians into the emptied homes in Ukraine. That’s why after the second world war (which the soviets don’t call that because they actually started it together with the Nazis) they sent hundreds of thousands of Crimean Tatars to Siberia and replaced them with… more ethnically and loyal russians.

    So yeah, everyone was declared equal, but only male, russian and well-connected were.














  • Bro. I have Ukrainian roots and I’m very confused about the Ukrainian stuff :)

    All I know about Finland is that Soviets attacked it and, essentially, lost, so I guess Finland didn’t have much choice - it was the known evil of the Stalin and the who-knows-what with the Germans that weren’t even their neighbours.

    I’m sure there were actual Nazis both in Finland and Ukraine, but I don’t see how Finland could have stayed independent and neutral in that situation.

    But again, I know way too little about those parts.