• pipi1234@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    I’m starting to believe trump regime was the best thing to happen for EU to grow a pair.

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      A lot of luxuries and technologies we have today arose from war and conflict. We knew we needed to rely less on the US for a long time, we just needed a real shake.

    • wewbull@feddit.uk
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      2 days ago

      That’s a bit like saying it was good for Putin to invade Ukraine because it forced Europe to get off natural gas as an energy source.

      I’d rather live in the world without that happening.

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        We didn’t really get of gas. It’s just changing from where we import it. There plenty of projects to import gas in the works

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        I get your point, but bear with me.

        The USA corruption and blatant oligarchy has more than 40 years erroding democracies, fabricating wars and polutting the environment.

        It is high time the monster shown its true colours so the rest of the world can react accordingly.

        And sadly, sometimes, things have to get worst before they get better.

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          I thought the same, Trump might actually be a good thing for Europe in the long run.

          Imagine if the US just played nice with Europe for another 30 years, and got us even more dependant on their payment systems and cloud providers, and only then someone like Trump came along.

          We’d have our hands completely tied, where as now with some effort we can still dig ourselves out of US dependency

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        2 days ago

        What do you mean by getting of natural gas? Its now liquid natural gas, which takes like 10 times more energy to ship and they are building more gas infrastructure.

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          2 days ago

          There’s also been a big reduction in the amount used which wouldn’t have happened as quickly otherwise.

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      2 days ago

      Even as bad as Bush Jr was, the USA was still good enough to provide Europe a security guarantee and peace dividend.