• 9point6@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Why else do you think Putin and now his puppet wants it broken up?

    Apes together strong

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    5 months ago

    I had a look at some stats regarding how EU citizens perceive the EU. I found this recent EU survey which interestingly shows that EU citizens trust the EU more than they trust their national governments:

    A line graph ranging from 2004 to 2025. It shows how much EU citizens trust the EU, their national governments, and their national parliaments. The graph shows that across the entire time range, trust in the EU has been higher than in national governments and parliaments.

    Also that link says that “74% say that, taking everything into account, their country has benefited from being a member of the EU”. So perhaps the EU will survive and strengthen, despite its critics like those in the Trump administration.

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    5 months ago

    Soviet Union then. Been there, my parents starve, fuck this shit. If ever Europe gives up their countries sovereignty I am fucking moving out as fast as I can because there won’t be discussion if we want scan chat messages or not. Everything will be pushed against people who will mean nothing like they mean nothing in those two other countries. Go fuck yourself and your megalomania.

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      5 months ago

      Why would you think that the European Union would be become like the USSR? It appears to be a frustrating bureaucracy at times, but I never got the impression that member states had to give up any significant amount of sovereignty.

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        5 months ago

        That’s the WEF agenda. One tax system, one European army, one Europan country. Ein Reich. Name it like you want.

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          5 months ago

          We have this in the US but the states have a significant amount of sovereignty in law making. Most laws are local. I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying I don’t think it has to go down that route.

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            5 months ago

            In all European countries I know laws are local too. The difference in European Union right now is that currently all countries need to agree to pass new law. EU parliament have no decision. It’s always consensus. That means discussion. Consensus is good. Drop discussion you will end up with big countries that pass the laws against smaller countries. Why ? Because number of people in EU parliament from your country is determined by your country population size. Look up table and amount of seats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_European_Parliament_election You need just top 5 countries to get majority of votes.

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    5 months ago

    That’s ironic, in a way, that there’s no Ukraine among those flags. Adding it would actually make the EU much stronger. A real life modern war experience (literally the most experienced country on the planet), plus the biggest country in Europe. With quite a large international community of emigrants (due to harsh historical circumstances). Plus experience filtering Russian propaganda, which is quite strong and influential (for those unaware).

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      5 months ago

      I agree that Ukraine would be a good addition to the EU (I hope that both the war and the EU join process will finish), but this meme is just about the EU not being a federation yet, so there’s no reason to add the Ukrainian flag now.

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        5 months ago

        I’m not sure on the federation thing (I just don’t understand how it would work for the EU), but I’m 100% sure when Russia would become a set of independent states (and not a federation it pretends it is), global terrorism would just go incredibly less, within one day, literally. They contribute to global chaos quite a lot. Especially backed by PRC and the US (administration) being a Russian puppet.

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      5 months ago

      Nope, the EU population is larger than the US, where we are lacking is in our military power.

      And are ramping up, faster than I would have believed possible 5 years ago.

      • Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        5 months ago

        It’s almost like people have forgotten history. Europe isn’t a newcomer, I just hope it won’t go to our heads, and that’s where being 27 countries together makes sense for me so hopefully only “good” things will come out of it all.

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        5 months ago

        Then you deserve to feel Trump’s fury hit Europe. If you’re so full of yourselves regarding your power, let’s hope you don’t end up regretting it.

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          Only out of necessity, Russia has shown that they are done playing the diplomatic game (though they have been playing it quite badly), the US has fully shat it’s pants and is rolling around in it and China has the carving knife ready for when Russia colapses, if Europe is to survive we need to federalize.

          At an absolute minimum, we need to build a unified military under one leadership throughout the EU, military personal from the south must be expected to defend Europe in the north, and vice versa.

          I don’t see this as being right-wing, I see it as it being a reality we need to face.

          I’ll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best, as it combined a strong government with a regulated free market.

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            5 months ago

            Friend, you need to understand: USA could turn off your F-35.

            Simply, you aren’t prepared for USA turning around.

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              No they can’t.

              Sweden doesn’t have F-35’s.

              Neither does France.

              Europe as a whole also have plenty of Eurofighters.

              The US hasn’t really fought any nation with comparable tech and infrastructure since WWII.

              I don’t think they’ll have an easy time doing that.

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          Well, you kinda need military power, even if you don’t use it, you can’t expect countries to not attack you and just be diplomatic. Also, don’t accuse people of being [insert here ideology], it’s just childish and not better than attacking them

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        At this point, I’m so miserable, that I agree, and accept our new Chinese overlords. We lost the fight for humanity long ago, I at least want to live a bit.