• vane@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    Soviet Union then. Been there, my parents starve, fuck this shit. If ever Europe gives up their countries sovereignty I am fucking moving out as fast as I can because there won’t be discussion if we want scan chat messages or not. Everything will be pushed against people who will mean nothing like they mean nothing in those two other countries. Go fuck yourself and your megalomania.

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      1 month ago

      Why would you think that the European Union would be become like the USSR? It appears to be a frustrating bureaucracy at times, but I never got the impression that member states had to give up any significant amount of sovereignty.

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        1 month ago

        That’s the WEF agenda. One tax system, one European army, one Europan country. Ein Reich. Name it like you want.

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          We have this in the US but the states have a significant amount of sovereignty in law making. Most laws are local. I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying I don’t think it has to go down that route.

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            1 month ago

            In all European countries I know laws are local too. The difference in European Union right now is that currently all countries need to agree to pass new law. EU parliament have no decision. It’s always consensus. That means discussion. Consensus is good. Drop discussion you will end up with big countries that pass the laws against smaller countries. Why ? Because number of people in EU parliament from your country is determined by your country population size. Look up table and amount of seats. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_European_Parliament_election You need just top 5 countries to get majority of votes.

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        1 month ago

        At this point, I’m so miserable, that I agree, and accept our new Chinese overlords. We lost the fight for humanity long ago, I at least want to live a bit.

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      1 month ago

      Nope, the EU population is larger than the US, where we are lacking is in our military power.

      And are ramping up, faster than I would have believed possible 5 years ago.

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        1 month ago

        It’s almost like people have forgotten history. Europe isn’t a newcomer, I just hope it won’t go to our heads, and that’s where being 27 countries together makes sense for me so hopefully only “good” things will come out of it all.

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        1 month ago

        Then you deserve to feel Trump’s fury hit Europe. If you’re so full of yourselves regarding your power, let’s hope you don’t end up regretting it.

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          Only out of necessity, Russia has shown that they are done playing the diplomatic game (though they have been playing it quite badly), the US has fully shat it’s pants and is rolling around in it and China has the carving knife ready for when Russia colapses, if Europe is to survive we need to federalize.

          At an absolute minimum, we need to build a unified military under one leadership throughout the EU, military personal from the south must be expected to defend Europe in the north, and vice versa.

          I don’t see this as being right-wing, I see it as it being a reality we need to face.

          I’ll even share a detail about my general political views, out of all ideologies, I strongly believe that Social Democracy is the best, as it combined a strong government with a regulated free market.

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            1 month ago

            Friend, you need to understand: USA could turn off your F-35.

            Simply, you aren’t prepared for USA turning around.

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              No they can’t.

              Sweden doesn’t have F-35’s.

              Neither does France.

              Europe as a whole also have plenty of Eurofighters.

              The US hasn’t really fought any nation with comparable tech and infrastructure since WWII.

              I don’t think they’ll have an easy time doing that.

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          Well, you kinda need military power, even if you don’t use it, you can’t expect countries to not attack you and just be diplomatic. Also, don’t accuse people of being [insert here ideology], it’s just childish and not better than attacking them