• Lvxferre [he/him]@mander.xyzM
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    5 days ago

    That’s interesting. I did some grammaticality tests, and my conclusion is that they behave a lot like nouns, but with further restrictions. Like this:

    Sentence a. “we’re-better-than-you” (PAL) b. “arrogant” (adj.) c. “arrogance” (n.)
    1. Their [__] behaviour is annoying. OK OK OK
    2. Their [__] is annoying OK? bad OK
    3. They [__] fairly often bad bad bad

    I’m not a native speaker, mind you. I feel like 2a (“Their we’re-better-than-you is annoying.”) is kind of passable? It doesn’t sound as malformed as using 3a (trying to force the PAL into a verb position), but it sounds worse than 1a. I wonder if native speakers agree or disagree with this.

    The text does mention Portuguese (my L1) also allows PALs, so I repeated the tests:

    Sentence a. “somos-melhores-que-vocês” (PAL) b. “arrogante” (adj.) c. “arrogância” (n.)
    4. O comportamento [__] deles é irritante. bad OK bad
    5. O comportamento de [__] deles é irritante. OK ? OK
    6. (O/A) [__] deles é irritante. OK (with “o”) bad OK (with “a”)
    7. Eles [__] constantemente. bad bad bad

    4a sounds extremely broken, even if its English equivalent (1a) sounds OK. That makes sense if they’re behaving like nouns - unlike English, Portuguese doesn’t allow nouns to directly modify each other. I’d also probably give 5b a pass but, again, language specificities - it’s easier to promote an adjective to a noun in Portuguese than in English.

    Interesting share regardless of the above - thanks for sharing it!

    • Eccentric@sh.itjust.works
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      5 days ago

      To me as a native speaker, 1c is ungrammatical. I do agree that 2a is surprisingly grammatical though.

      I will say grammar is really not my strong suit (and I only had time to skim the paper) but I have a decent background in semantics. Maybe I’ve just been working a lot with euphemisms lately, but PALs almost seem to function like euphemisms?