One can distinguish the two while adhering to neither.

Lol, no. Reactionaries violently upend and attempt to revert to medievalism, conservatism does nothing; the latter might as well be somewhat apathetic.

As I mentioned, the status quo. So basically the average Joe that doesn’t care much either way, isn’t gonna hate or support, but also not apathetic. Basically people who just want stability, not fascism (which is inherently unstable in that it perpetuates a state-led chaos and terror).

As for nature, the whole “X is UnNattural” is nonsense fabricated by religious fundamentalists, tbh. Nature is wilder than whatever they can cook up.

I’m not sure how effective that’ll be in the long-term though, if the less politically aware instances don’t block them, or don’t realise in time. They’ll attempt to chip bit by bit away.

I used to be one of those oldschool conservatives. I’m much more progressive now, but what I do think helps, is the following.

Fascists won’t listen to progressives. So what will pull them out of that black hole, is having them listen to more ‘boring’ people, but without the opportunity to overtalk them. Let fascists listen to normal views and don’t let fascists take over the discussion. Youtube videos with comments disabled, PDFs by anonymous authors, and so on, that can help.

The common man’s best ally is reaching out to the milquetoasts, and having the fascists listen to them and you while also not listening to them. Never yield to their beliefs; have a red line beyond which you won’t discuss with them. Use their own tactics against them.

I used to know one. Whenever they still wanted to discuss their batshit crazy views, I told them I declined discussing that stuff with them, and wouldn’t interact with them unless if they could shut up about that.

It usually worked (though not 100%), so I consider that a general-ish success.

Ah, a false appeal to a majority.

Yes, sometimes that majority can be wrong. If I don’t call for people to die horribly simply because they’re not allowed to abort, which would save their life, does it make me the problem? Or what with people who shout people should be murdered because they’re Jewish/Muslim/atheist whatever?

No, the problem lies with the oligarchs fueling that hatred.

Anyway, thanks for adding one to the block list!

It’s reactionary, not conservative. If they’d been conservative, they’d not actively try to revert the US back to the colonial age.

They’re not the same.

MAGAhats are exactly the same as those who defend loli. Just ask Trump and Epstein.

I think it’s completely fair to downvote Christian fundamentalists.

And what is that acronym stand for? There is no “kneejerk” when collective defederation, save for outright removing the instance, is the only sane method of kicking out fascists.

No, the whole point of the fediverse is to combat censorship from fascists.

Inviting them over there is NOT good. It’ll show more pro-fascist views and fool gullible people. And the more fascist instances there are, the harder to kick those out.

“Echo chambers” don’t exist except on fascist forums.

You’re saying you support it turning into a Nazi bar. If you want one, then go there, instead of being on Lemmy.

Bad faith answer, though. MAGA cunts aren’t “conservatives”, they are outright fascists.

If you want conservative, you’d have to look at people who just want the status quo. In other words, the more milquetoast Christian democrats.

The fediverse is for ‘everyone’, but that doesn’t mean we put up with fascists. It’s only for people who aren’t batshit insane. In other words, not for fascists and transphobes.

If you identify with conservatism, as in, going to Church, wanting a traditional family yourself – by all means you’re welcome! so long as that means you let others also have their own life that might not involve those, and don’t hate or question their lifestyle.

but if you’re a fascist or transphobe, then get the fuck out here and go touch grass

They remain ‘united’ through fear. The most effective method to disarm them is to aggressively change their algorithms.

Fascists are excellent at going mask off. Too bad they don’t kill themselves like in the old days.

“boohoo, victim & denial mode enabled”

guys maybe the one-day old account is a troll account. what a loser lol.

boohoo victim mode enabled

go fuck your mum and grow up. be a man and support transgender people instead of being a fascist who holocausts them.

Except that literally nobody who’s not a Russian bot, has those “antagonistic opinions”.

Fact: fascists have caused millions of deaths.

Fact: most fascist accounts are bot accounts, from Russia, the US, and Israel.

Go educate yourself and read on Umberto Eco’s definitions of fascism.

Neither is it your fascist’s safe space.

Being banned for a slur isn’t left-wing, fascist with _ss in their name.

Lemmy isn’t very left. It’s just normal people, i.e. that dislike fascists.

There’s no echo chamber when you’re surrounding yourself with people that don’t want to kill and harass others for simply being themselves. You’re not in one.

Fascists on the other hand, are certainly in an echo chamber.