Makhno was an anarchist revolutionary who did a lot of work organizing against the reactionaries during the Russian Civil war. He already fought once to defend Donbas from fascist collaborationists and would likely side with the DPR today if he was alive.

Makhno would be ashamed of you supporting Banderite fascists.

However, I dislike how Tanuki portrays Ukrainians as silent victims of forced mobilization carried out by their government. In reality, recent years have seen hundreds of examples of spontaneous self-organization and collective self-defense, when ordinary passersby have rescued detained conscripts from conscription officers, using fists, clubs, pepper spray, knives and even firearms, overturning buses, and so on.

They are not silent, the problem is that the western news that the likes of unruffled and so many take as given truth, continues to ignore and silence those voices, notice how not a single one of your links about those things is a US news outlet?

Unruffled is the one that banned me. But they did not address any of the true things that I or Tanuki said. This is a well established pattern with this particular mod.

Pro the invaded is another way of looking at it.

This implies that the universe somehow spontaneously came into being the day Russian forces entered Ukraine.

They were in a civil war… Do you think that if a civil war broke out in Mexico that the US would have been there WAY sooner than Russia did in this case?

The Civil war in Ukraine started with Crimea wanting to leave because of the rapid Nazification of the Ukrainian government. That is why they overwhelmingly voted on a referendum to separate and the only way to do so without being genocided was to join the RF.

Then the Nazi faction of the Ukrainian right basically consolidated power and kept doing pogroms and indiscriminately shelling the east as Donbas followed suit. This only escalated the conflict and proved that there was a re-emergence of the Banderite movement that collaborated with the Nazis in WWII. The slogan “Slava Ukaraini” was one of their most known chants.

I am not Pro-Russia. I recognize the right of self determination of all people, and that does not put me in a position to criticize them when they can take support from whoever possible in the face of Nazism and Imperialism.

I do not criticize Iran for being aligned with Russia for the purpose of their survival. I do not criticize any state for seeking aid from yet another enemy of the US empire for assistance no matter how flawed that state may be.

Someone in this thread did.

Pro Ukrainian state. It’s quite clear. And the “Russian aggression” only began after over a decade of people in Donbas having their own attempts at self determination met with brutal retaliation and repression.

Gotta have some real tortured logic to say “free state of Ukraine” follow it up with the Banderite slogan “slava Ukraini” and then pretend not to be throwing in pn the side profile the fascists.

Also my accusations of antisemitism are not “thinly veiled” I am literally telling you that since 2014 Azov and other elements of Ukrainian state forces have literally doing pogroms against not just ethnic Russians in the east, but Roma and Jews all over the country for over 12 years now. If you deny it, I just assume you’re a fascist.

Also Unruffled you have a very long history of fascist apologizing so you really are only helping prove my point here.

Have you looked at Ukraine?

Pride is banned there too please spare me using my identity as a shield to defend a Nazi controlled state.

They voted to make their own state and the Ukrainian govt started slaughtering them. This is the issue with states you can’t really opt out without support from someone else. And yes Russia is a preferable alternative when the Kiev govt forces had literally been doing pogroms and shelling civilians for seeking independence.

The only one forcing them to seek help from Russia is the Ukrainian state. It is childish to believe yo can just opt out of your own government when they just try to murder you anyway.

Nothing I said was pro Russia, the people in Donbas had been fighting a Civil War and defending against progroms and shelling for 12 years before now.

And despite Tanuki’s username it is a fact people have been resisting kidnappings by the state because they do not want to be press ganged into this war that is clearly not going to end in their favor.

How is your “free state” free if it is entirely beholden to the US and the west?

How is it okay to use a Banderite slogan and talk about defending a state that forces people into conscription via kidnapping?

How is that acceptable in an anarchist forum?