I was banned for supporting the right of people in eastern Ukraine for not wishing to be part of the state banning their language and doing g pogroms not just against Russians bot Jews and Roma people for 12 years prior to the Russian intervention.
Tanuki was banned just for posting a video of civilians being kidnapped off the street to be forced into a war they know is a lost cause.
If this is what you call Anarchism I am ashamed of you.
Since there is no link to the original thread, judgement can only be made based on the screenshot; and if Tanuki was banned for his post, this is 100% undisputable PTB.
However, I dislike how Tanuki portrays Ukrainians as silent victims of forced mobilization carried out by their government. In reality, recent years have seen hundreds of examples of spontaneous self-organization and collective self-defense, when ordinary passersby have rescued detained conscripts from conscription officers, using fists, clubs, pepper spray, knives and even firearms, overturning buses, and so on.
- https://www.euronews.com/2026/07/09/ukraine-opens-criminal-probe-after-crowds-attack-army-conscription-vehicle-in-lviv
- https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/8/19/in-ukraine-forcible-military-recruitment-efforts-escalate-into-violence
- https://briefly-news.com/en/attacks-on-draft-officers-in-ukraine-are-increasing-as-mobilization-turns-into-an-internal-front/
- https://kyivindependent.com/enlistment-officers-targeted-in-more-than-600-attacks-since-start-of-full-scale-invasion-officials-say/
- https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2026/04/21/world/ukraine-draft-officers-war-fatigue/
Also this community !ukrainerussiareport@lemmy.ml has dozens of videos of real anarchy in Ukraine and popular anti-state resistance. Just a few of them:
- Civilians attack conscription vehicle and beat military personnel in Lutsk
- A woman pepper sprays Ukrainian conscription officers and police while they were taking a man into their vehicle
- Teenagers pelt conscription officers van with stones in Odessa
- Odesa civilians attack conscription bus, smash windows, pepper-spray interior, freeing conscripts inside
- Volyn residents with shovels drive away Ukrainian conscription officers
- Odesa shawarma worker hides man from Ukrainian conscription officers – he didn’t even see them coming
- Man shoots at Ukrainian conscription officers in Odesa
However, I dislike how Tanuki portrays Ukrainians as silent victims of forced mobilization carried out by their government. In reality, recent years have seen hundreds of examples of spontaneous self-organization and collective self-defense, when ordinary passersby have rescued detained conscripts from conscription officers, using fists, clubs, pepper spray, knives and even firearms, overturning buses, and so on.
They are not silent, the problem is that the western news that the likes of unruffled and so many take as given truth, continues to ignore and silence those voices, notice how not a single one of your links about those things is a US news outlet?
the posts in question:
moth finds it shocking that pro-Russian statists (one literally named Tankie) might not be welcome in an anarchist comm. moth definitely and sincerely hopes your highly rational and thinly veiled accusations of anti-semitism and racism go over better in this comm. please do not think moth is mocking you, you seem a very serious person.
Nothing I said was pro Russia, the people in Donbas had been fighting a Civil War and defending against progroms and shelling for 12 years before now.
And despite Tanuki’s username it is a fact people have been resisting kidnappings by the state because they do not want to be press ganged into this war that is clearly not going to end in their favor.
How is your “free state” free if it is entirely beholden to the US and the west?
How is it okay to use a Banderite slogan and talk about defending a state that forces people into conscription via kidnapping?
How is that acceptable in an anarchist forum?
Nothing I said was pro Russia
freedom for the people in Donbas
then you agree that freedom also means not being forced to be a part of russia, yes?
They voted to make their own state and the Ukrainian govt started slaughtering them. This is the issue with states you can’t really opt out without support from someone else. And yes Russia is a preferable alternative when the Kiev govt forces had literally been doing pogroms and shelling civilians for seeking independence.
The only one forcing them to seek help from Russia is the Ukrainian state. It is childish to believe yo can just opt out of your own government when they just try to murder you anyway.
How is your “free state” free if it is entirely beholden to the US and the west?
in what world do you think “freedom for working class people” means being a part of ukraine? this is internalized propaganda that you are struggling with.
Russia is a preferable alternative
your avatar has the pride flag on it. how do you personally reconcile your belief that russia is better with the fact that russia has criminalized queerness?
also,
Nothing I said was pro Russia
Russia is a preferable alternative
it feels good to be honest, no?
Have you looked at Ukraine?
Pride is banned there too please spare me using my identity as a shield to defend a Nazi controlled state.
Nazi controlled state
how do you reconcile calling russia a preferable alternative considering the rampant white supremacy that is supported by the government? moth finds it hard to take your claims you are not pro-russian seriously when you have expressed explicit support for homophobic, transphobic nazis statists.
Despite being neoliberal and conservative, a crucial ideological component of the current Russian state is the historical memory of the Great Patriotic War, which forces them into the position of being anti-nazi, so neo-nazis and the most virulent white supremacists have to be cracked down on or else they’ll lose historical legitimacy
Meanwhile here is just a tiny selection of Ukrainian fascists and neo-nazis marching proudly in the open with full state support
One of these is obviously much, much worse than the other, and the people of the Donbas have made their choice as to which side of the border they’d like to be on
Russia is the preferable alternative for the ethnic Russians in Ukraine(17%) of its population pre-2014 and Russian first language speakers who made up a third
The new Ukrainian state after the US backed ‘euromaidan’ coup(in reaction to a pro-russian president winning an election over a pro-western one) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/15/john-mccain-ukraine-protests-support-just-cause
They banned the language from public education https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/en/2145-19
The post-coup Ukranian state renames streets after literal Nazi collaborators involved in the Holocaust https://www.timesofisrael.com/kiev-renames-major-street-to-honor-russian-nazi-collaborator/
They incorporated avowed neo-nazi, civilian slaughtering paramilitaries into their state military https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade#2014_incorporation_into_the_National_Guard
People have a right to self-determination and obvious reasons not to live in such a state
They don’t incorporate avowed civillian slaughtering neo-nazi paramilitaries into their state military like ukraine did with Azov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade#2014_incorporation_into_the_National_Guard
except that they do do that, and the state-sanctioned russia imperial movement, a neo-nazi monarchist group with ties to the russian government, has deployed militia to ukraine since 2014. moth surely knows you will be appalled to learn this.
No they don’t, what’s your source for them being 'state sanctioned?
Regardless nebulous ‘ties to the russian goverment’ is nowhere near the same as official incorporation into the national guard
“Freedom is when people do what I say they should do, not what they actively choose for themselves.” -moth, apparently
“Forced” is when you vote in a referendum and over 95% agrees on it. Dronies (including the ones who style themselves as “anarchists”) love to forget it was the state of Ukraine effectively outlawing the Russian language predominantly spoken by the people of Donbas and then persecuting them for identifying as Russian that sparked the separatist movement in eastern Ukraine in the first place. God forbid these people who are being targeted for being Russian might want to actually, you know, be part of Russia.
@Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net, don’t expect to get much or any support here, even though you are completely right. Not only is it the same instance as the one where you got banned, this comm is moderated by the same mod who banned you, and many of the users who would have recognized your correct take, including principled anarchists, have already been banned for being “tankies.”
moth, apparently
freedom is being independent of a government. a strawman is what you just tried.
including the ones who style themselves as “anarchists"
are you badjacketing moth? is moth incorrect in believing that is against the rules of both dbzer0 and hexbear? moth would like an apology.
I think self-determination is a more meaningful concept than freedom in this situation.
freedom is being independent of a government.
What a ridiculous definition of freedom. It is very much something an ancap would say. You make statements like that and then say I’m badjacketing you? lol, you are openly donning that jacket of your own accord, and zipping it up nice and snug for all to see. Just because I made note of what you’re apparently choosing to wear doesn’t mean I’m the one who put it on you. (I will say though, that in my experience, it is always a specific kind of doofus who constantly refers to themselves in third person, though that’s beside the point).
It is very much something an ancap would say.
moth does not believe you are as smart as you think you are.
it is always a specific kind of doofus who constantly refers to themselves in third person
why are you are refusing to use moth’s preferred pronouns? not only that, insulting moth for them as well? you are out of line.
why are you are refusing to use moth’s preferred pronouns?
c’mon dude you don’t have to stand on the table baring your entire ass like this, that’s setting aside people can only see your pronouns if they are viewing them from your instance.
I regret nothing. And how is being opposed to a Russian war of aggression being pro-State? I don’t accept your framing of the situation.
What a surprise that one of the fediverse’s most prominent fascists is here to defend fascism once again
What a surprise red fash are out brigading again.
Brigading is when you comment on posts that show up in your feed, and the more correct your take the more brigading it is
How odd that it is only ever HexBear having posts show up in their feed.
If brigading was so simple, I’d be expecting every other instance to act the same yet that never seems to be the case.
??? You’re posting here not from hexbear. What the fuck are you talking about “only hexbear”
I never said every single post here is from HexBear. I said it’s only ever HexBear that brigades.
Everyone knows you do this shit, it’s the hallmark of your instance. No other instance has this reputation or can ever be found flocking a post en masse to circlejerk yourself as you do.
I never said every single post here is from HexBear. I said it’s only ever HexBear that brigades.
You literally said “it is only ever Hexbear having posts show up in their feed”
How did you get here if the post didn’t show up in your feed? Are you brigading?
This is an unfalsifiable hypothesis. Since “brigading” has no actual definition and is solely defined as “that thing that Hexbear does that I don’t like” then of course Hexbear is the only instance that does it.
We’re literally just a very active instance which doesn’t have downvotes so disagreements always create comments. That’s the entire thing. This “brigading” conspiracy theory is unfounded and silly.
Pro Ukrainian state. It’s quite clear. And the “Russian aggression” only began after over a decade of people in Donbas having their own attempts at self determination met with brutal retaliation and repression.
Gotta have some real tortured logic to say “free state of Ukraine” follow it up with the Banderite slogan “slava Ukraini” and then pretend not to be throwing in pn the side profile the fascists.
Also my accusations of antisemitism are not “thinly veiled” I am literally telling you that since 2014 Azov and other elements of Ukrainian state forces have literally doing pogroms against not just ethnic Russians in the east, but Roma and Jews all over the country for over 12 years now. If you deny it, I just assume you’re a fascist.
Also Unruffled you have a very long history of fascist apologizing so you really are only helping prove my point here.
slava Ukraini
In all the time I’ve known @flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com, I don’t recall ever hearing them utter a pro-Ukrainian slogan of any kind. This is just utter nonsense and an outright lie.
Someone in this thread did.
What does that have to do with Unruffled?
Unruffled is the one that banned me. But they did not address any of the true things that I or Tanuki said. This is a well established pattern with this particular mod.
Pro Ukrainian state. It’s quite clear.
Pro the invaded is another way of looking at it.
Gotta have some real tortured logic to say “free state of Ukraine” follow it up with the Banderite slogan “slava Ukraini” and then pretend not to be throwing in pn the side profile the fascists.
What are you even talking about?
Also my accusations of antisemitism are not “thinly veiled”
I think you are replying to the wrong person.
Also Unruffled you have a very long history of fascist apologizing
Yes I’m a huge fascist, you caught me!
Pro the invaded is another way of looking at it.
This implies that the universe somehow spontaneously came into being the day Russian forces entered Ukraine.
They were in a civil war… Do you think that if a civil war broke out in Mexico that the US would have been there WAY sooner than Russia did in this case?
The Civil war in Ukraine started with Crimea wanting to leave because of the rapid Nazification of the Ukrainian government. That is why they overwhelmingly voted on a referendum to separate and the only way to do so without being genocided was to join the RF.
Then the Nazi faction of the Ukrainian right basically consolidated power and kept doing pogroms and indiscriminately shelling the east as Donbas followed suit. This only escalated the conflict and proved that there was a re-emergence of the Banderite movement that collaborated with the Nazis in WWII. The slogan “Slava Ukaraini” was one of their most known chants.
I am not Pro-Russia. I recognize the right of self determination of all people, and that does not put me in a position to criticize them when they can take support from whoever possible in the face of Nazism and Imperialism.
I do not criticize Iran for being aligned with Russia for the purpose of their survival. I do not criticize any state for seeking aid from yet another enemy of the US empire for assistance no matter how flawed that state may be.
It’s amazing how Hexbear says you’re a fascist for not supporting Russia, while .world says we’re all Tankies for not supporting the Democrats.
Everyone’s a critic, that’s no lie. It’s frustrating being an anarchist when the folks who should be your natural allies are mostly rabid campists.
But muh left unity
It’s very easy to be misinformed about one or more experiences here. Very easy to filter out things, or never know. It’s the perfect recipe for internet warriors to take no prisoners. So PTB here.
But I have long thought that many have no idea what they are talking about on lemmy, when supporting either side
The free territory of ukraine is a different name for Makhnovshchina. Am sorry for causing confusion.
Makhno would be ashamed of you supporting Banderite fascists.
???
Makhno was an anarchist revolutionary who did a lot of work organizing against the reactionaries during the Russian Civil war. He already fought once to defend Donbas from fascist collaborationists and would likely side with the DPR today if he was alive.
Makhno would be ashamed of you supporting Banderite fascists.
Where did I express support for fascism?
By not siding with Stalin’s gulags, silly anarkiddie!! Fascism is when you don’t support Communist dictatorships
I just got told by someone on ml I’m a fascist for not supporting Stalin’s ghost and then banned me.
They’re really offended when you don’t say Xi is a saint.
They still haven’t bothered to tell you, shows how much they READ THEORY
Good lord, authoritarians are annoying.
