I’m just going through my past history, and looking for anything where the subject is “*Permanently Deleted*” and where the Modlog for that community shows nothing.
- (Deleted within the hour) https://lemmy.ml/post/28333996, modlog
- (Deleted 3 days ago) https://lemmy.ml/post/28206502/17786644, modlog
- (Deleted 10 days ago) https://lemmy.ml/post/27878131/17617304, modlog
- (Deleted 13 days ago) https://lemmy.ml/post/27745076/17556469, modlog
None of these appear in the modlog of their respective communities.
I’ve been told before in an earlier comment chain that this might be due to the post user being permanently deleted.
Is there any way I can verify this as an end-user? Once the post is gone, I can’t see the username of who posted it.
It’s just a bit of a small hole in the transparency of Lemmy’s fantastic moderation
“Permanently deleted” normally means the poster has removed their account and content. In this case, your comment hasn’t been removed, but the post you were replying to is gone, because the person who made the post deleted their account. It reads permanently deleted, because that’s now the post title in the database
I had a look, seems like for the fedimemes post the poster got banned, and probably their post removed:
They likely deleted their account after getting banned
They still posted 6 hours ago: https://lemmy.world/u/cm0002
That image doesn’t show “permanently deleted”. Neither the comment in the screenshot nor the post the comment was attached to have been deleted. That appears to be a screenshot of a discussion about this issue, rather than an occurrence of it.
Ah indeed, seems to be a different case than the “permanently deleted”
That makes sense, but I’m just wondering if there’s any way for an end-user such as myself can easily see this (e.g. modlog, userbanlog, or otherwise) to verify.
From my perspective, I hope you can understand how bewildering it is to have this record gap.
There is no modlog, because there were no mod actions.
There was a mod action: lemmy.ml instance banned that account. It still exists on LW: https://lemmy.world/u/cm0002
I understand, but is there no userbanlog to check as well, where a deleted post is tied to a banned user?
That’s what I’m saying. The post is gone because the user deleted their account. Everything about that account is gone. I believe it works that way due to European laws on the right to be forgotten.
Ah I see, so there never will be a userbanlog implemented due to GDPR?
In this very specific case, you would need to check your account profile from another instance (the way I did it, from my instance) to see those posts that would still exist but not on lemmy.ml as they’ve been banned.
it’s also the case for deletions without account deletions, but iirc there is some delay before it gets rewritten in the db to allow the user to undelete it for a bit of time.
Is it deleted or removed?
Deleted means that the creator deleted it, which won’t be logged to the modlog. Removed means a moderator or admin removed it, which will be logged to the modlog.
It could also be that the user was instance/community banned with the purge content option enabled. Which might confuse you, because the posts won’t have a modlog entry regarding their removal. The purge content option’s status is not logged along with their ban. So be sure to check if they are instance/community banned as well.
I had a look, seems like for the fedimemes post the poster got banned, and probably their post removed:
Well then, there’s the answer.
That’s the cause, which I did mention in my initial post - but I’m looking for a solution regarding how this could be a bit more transparent.
Well, the purge content status could be shown. I don’t think there is a better way.
I’ve been told before in an earlier comment chain that this might be due to the post user being permanently deleted.
This seems to have been deleted as well? https://lemmy.ml/post/27763393/17564094
What the actual hell. There’s nothing in the fedimemes modlog for why it was deleted, and also, the post itself doesn’t appear deleted in my history…
I kind of remember this post, this it seems like it’s been deleted as well. Something is weird here
Also, do you remember what was the name of the AskLemmy thread from today? This one I can’t see either
Ok so I see it from here
But not here: https://lemmy.ml/comment/17565669
okay, so different instances can refer to the same post (or they clone it?) but each has their own visibility rules about it.
I guess that makes sense. Some kind of visibility guide or indicator would be fantastic here, I’m finding the loss of posts with (seemingly) no explanation a bit bewlidering
they clone it?)
They clone it. Which means that if lemmy.ml ban a user, they are going to also remove their posts.
You can technically see it from the lemmy.ml modlog and looking at the “banned from site” action: https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModBan&userId=790936
