its not ‘cruel’ but its still red flag. Like your mentioned doll or stuffed animal. Why are those much more concerning? They dont plead for mercy from their torturer like an llm does even though they are equally real.
IMO having the urge to torture anything is a huuuuge red flag
There’s a virtue ethics argument to be made for not doing this. It’s not bad for the LLM (because it’s not sentient, nothing can be bad-for-it), but it’s perhaps bad for the experimenter. The main argument for doing it is out of spite for the promptfondlers.
I think if no actual living beings (or some future AI that isn’t this feedforward memoryless bullshit) are being harmed then it’s not so much doing as it is saying in the sense of making a statement, which is kind of unclear.
I personally see dolls and stuffed aninals nore concerning as they, at least for the majority of stuffed animals I have, are more anthro/bear on 2 legs kinda human like kind. And I can easily see how people are more able to look at that and envision a person they don’t like or wronged them somehow and then kinda escalate from there. Moreso than text on a screen due to it not having a physical form that has even somewhat of a human like form. I can easily see because I have done something similar in the past with stuffed animals. Thankfully, I never acted on those thoughts and haven’t had any in maybe a little over a decade.
Though, I totally understand the whole torture anything urge red flag thing. It’s absolutely a red flag for me, but to a slightly lower degree for torturing clankers.
its not ‘cruel’ but its still red flag. Like your mentioned doll or stuffed animal. Why are those much more concerning? They dont plead for mercy from their torturer like an llm does even though they are equally real.
IMO having the urge to torture anything is a huuuuge red flag
There’s a virtue ethics argument to be made for not doing this. It’s not bad for the LLM (because it’s not sentient, nothing can be bad-for-it), but it’s perhaps bad for the experimenter. The main argument for doing it is out of spite for the promptfondlers.
I think if no actual living beings (or some future AI that isn’t this feedforward memoryless bullshit) are being harmed then it’s not so much doing as it is saying in the sense of making a statement, which is kind of unclear.
yeah its probably a mix of virtue ethics and the angle of psychological conditioning im speaking from. Solid point.
I personally see dolls and stuffed aninals nore concerning as they, at least for the majority of stuffed animals I have, are more anthro/bear on 2 legs kinda human like kind. And I can easily see how people are more able to look at that and envision a person they don’t like or wronged them somehow and then kinda escalate from there. Moreso than text on a screen due to it not having a physical form that has even somewhat of a human like form. I can easily see because I have done something similar in the past with stuffed animals. Thankfully, I never acted on those thoughts and haven’t had any in maybe a little over a decade.
Though, I totally understand the whole torture anything urge red flag thing. It’s absolutely a red flag for me, but to a slightly lower degree for torturing clankers.