I don’t think you mean this do you? Or do you really think there shouldn’t be any kind of bike path when the speed limit is greater than 30 km/h, or the road has more than 2 lanes?
What @EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone said, goes. But as for the amount of lanes, I do think I overlooked that one, so I edited my comment just now. I do think it’s worth in general to reduce the amount of car lanes (given that induced demand’s a thing).
Still, for protected bike lanes that are fully separate from car lanes, by a strong barrier (not just an elevation), I think you could do with 4, maybe 6 lanes. More would be unnecessary or dangerous for all, though.
We also have ‘bicycle main pathes’ where car drivers are ‘guests’. That is, cars must drive behind bicyclists and not overtake them. They generally are in 30 km/hr zones, and the width of 2-3 car lanes (so about 7-10 m). Sidewalks are also present there, of course.
Typically, those are in residential-heavy areas where a lot of people bicycle (often near the city centre where most stores are). They provide that cars can drive around the centre, while bicyclists can easily go in and out of the centre.
Not sure if they edited their comment, but after “all of the above” they specify the 30kph as “if it’s only a raised border” and not a full size wall/barrier.
Side note: Honestly, slapping a 2-3in stepped concrete block and keeping the cycling lane raised to match that step would go a long way in keeping people off it. People don’t like driving on cracks, they’ll avoid a large contrasting colored step like the plague
after “all of the above” they specify the 30kph as “if it’s only a raised border”
Yes, that’s why I asked if they really meant “all of the above” - I rather suspect they were just referring to the other measures that do make sense for both protected and unprotected cycle paths (only bicyclists allowed, distinctive paint schemes etc).
a 2-3in stepped concrete block and keeping the cycling lane raised
pretty sure this is what is meant by protected cycle lane - some kind of kerb between the cycle lane and the motor vehicle lane. There are many cycle lanes like this in Europe and they are unquestionably way safer. FYI you don’t need to have the cycle path raised to the same height as the kerb - many do not do that, and just have a line of raised kerb stones on the traffic side of the bike lane.
I don’t think you mean this do you? Or do you really think there shouldn’t be any kind of bike path when the speed limit is greater than 30 km/h, or the road has more than 2 lanes?
What @EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone said, goes. But as for the amount of lanes, I do think I overlooked that one, so I edited my comment just now. I do think it’s worth in general to reduce the amount of car lanes (given that induced demand’s a thing).
Still, for protected bike lanes that are fully separate from car lanes, by a strong barrier (not just an elevation), I think you could do with 4, maybe 6 lanes. More would be unnecessary or dangerous for all, though.
We also have ‘bicycle main pathes’ where car drivers are ‘guests’. That is, cars must drive behind bicyclists and not overtake them. They generally are in 30 km/hr zones, and the width of 2-3 car lanes (so about 7-10 m). Sidewalks are also present there, of course.
Typically, those are in residential-heavy areas where a lot of people bicycle (often near the city centre where most stores are). They provide that cars can drive around the centre, while bicyclists can easily go in and out of the centre.
Not sure if they edited their comment, but after “all of the above” they specify the 30kph as “if it’s only a raised border” and not a full size wall/barrier.
Side note: Honestly, slapping a 2-3in stepped concrete block and keeping the cycling lane raised to match that step would go a long way in keeping people off it. People don’t like driving on cracks, they’ll avoid a large contrasting colored step like the plague
Yes, that’s why I asked if they really meant “all of the above” - I rather suspect they were just referring to the other measures that do make sense for both protected and unprotected cycle paths (only bicyclists allowed, distinctive paint schemes etc).
pretty sure this is what is meant by protected cycle lane - some kind of kerb between the cycle lane and the motor vehicle lane. There are many cycle lanes like this in Europe and they are unquestionably way safer. FYI you don’t need to have the cycle path raised to the same height as the kerb - many do not do that, and just have a line of raised kerb stones on the traffic side of the bike lane.