Through the idiotic cruelty of this totally unnecessary war, you’d be forgiven for asking - What The Hell is wrong with russians anwyays? We in the west can’t undertand them in their deviousness, brutality and indifference to empathy and justice.
The simple platitudes are all there. Russians lie, they steal, they invade, they lack empathy, they are drunk, hyper macho chest-thumping meatheads, they kill their own, they are politcally meek and accepting of suffering, to the point where cruelty even to themselves is a badge of honor. Or if you fancy yourself as a high minded Russian siloviki, falling prey to others is something that happens to someone else who wasn’t clever enough to stay out of the crosshairs of the local warlord du jour. A fatalism that fighting against power is useless, and that you are best to be apolitical, shrug your shoulders and avoid trouble at all costs. Or find your own path to profit from the corruption and control. In short - it is better to accept the brutality of centralized power, because it’s better than the alternative, as defined by various traumatic times in Russia’s existence. Denialism, machismo and crap leadership is a terrible mixture.
This is a long watch, but concise and worth a listen if you’re interested in moving past the basic platitudes about the Russians being dumb, cruel, brutal. Even more high minded concepts as being expansionist and paranoid about their borders doesn’t fully explain things, but it’s all part of the receipe. Beevor goes into very serious yet consumable study of the timeline & roots of Russian brutality. A few choice phrases jumped out, including the romanticization of ruthlessness, conspcious cruelty, and the unapologetic expansionism, described as the ‘anxious billionaire’ who always wants more money, more land, more than he has now, lest it all crumble somehow. Certainly paints a picture of why Russia has never, ever, been content to stay within it’s vast boundaries and not invade it’s neighbors eventually. Conquest is necessary and virtuous - scaled up from the simple notion that power abused is power used.
It’s also not sufficient to just say Russian brutality is because of the Mongols’ subjugation, but it was insightful to be reminded that Russia was under Mongol control as long as America has even existed. It ain’t everything, but it ain’t nothing either.
So - Why the reliable brutality? Why the capacity for suffering and depravity? Why the indifference-to-glee of the suffering of others? Why the idiotic meat wave tactics? Why the political cruelty, even in peace time? Why the relentless rush to dominate? Why the romantic glorification of death and bone-crushing even the slightest opposition? Why are you entirely justified to kill for the vanity and glory of the Tsar? Don’t your neighbors have a right to exist and propser?
Well - in a word - No. But that’s a function of power - real or perceived. It’s at least an ethos, one supposes. A bitter one, but - it does seem part of the Russian self-image. They have a right to steal, kill, lie, be corrosive and mischevious ALWAYS, and that brutality is always useful. Russia Stronk. The self-image that we COULD just roll from Poland to Portugal if we wanted. Diplomacy is a trick of the weak to keep down the strong, and that when we do choose to flex our power, you will squeal like pigs for a while, then accept your fate. Yes, our life sucks - but - as long as someone else is worse off, then that’s (somehow) a win for me. Caring for others is fruitless and stupid - so get yours, and screw the other guy, before he screws you.
The clumsy theory I’d come to is that Russia’s organizing principle, at the micro and macro, is “Do As I Say Or I’ll Kill You”. This exists at the local level where local bullies demand money from anyone weaker than them, neighborhood goons extort others in low level mafia style, bosses steal from employees, businesses and government officials steal from contracts and companies, and at the strategic political level, the Leader steals from the world inasmuch as his strength, opportunity and audaciousness allows.
And that it is hard to understand them in terms of power, truth and justice for the same reasons. The point of power IS to use it. And “theft” is expected at whatever your station in life. There’s a classic phrase in Russian that ‘the man who DOESN’T steal, steals from his family’. In other words - you should steal, because if you don’t, someone else will. Russians sneer at the feckless pussies in the west, and might say that they adhere to an Old Order of the universe - that the true reality of the world is that life feeds on life, nature is cruel and if you don’t accept that role as an abuser, you end up a victim. Or that cruelty is requried to keep a nation of dissimilar frontiers together - the colonies must be kept in meek, cowed compliance for the good of Moscow and St. Petersburg. Again, it is a simple concept - cruel, exploitative and unfair - but it IS at least an idea even the dumbest people understand.
Every Russian system of governance over the last 1,000 years has centralized power, kept institutions weak and retained the ability to brutalize anyone in your way in pursuit of your goals. Hence - “Do As I Say Or I’ll Kill You” as the state motto. Keep the power centers concentrated, the serfs disorganized, improverished and humbled - because then they’re easier to control. Nothing has truly changed - Russia never had a Magna Carta or Reformation. The base organizing principle has never evolved past the implicit threat of violence, at all levels.
As a result, the vast majority of Russians are themselves descended from people who didn’t stand up to the local overlord and say “hey, you can’t take our food, money and people! this isn’t right”. Those people ended up with their heads on a pole at the edge of town to serve as a warning. So - evolutionary theory gives you a population descended into a meek, accepting, politically neutered class for which the prospect of demanding rights and justice is the same as suicide. Or at least - if you do have subversive thoughts - you’re able to keep them to yourself until a time is right for revolution, and there is a decent chance of keeping your head in the coming fight.
Perhaps it’s a 1500 year project of abuse, so warped by the sustained cruelty that any fundamental change cannot happen. Unless there is a complete shattering of the self-image as an unapologetic, collective beast that must feed on others, or the same will inevitably happen to them. Why do they invade? Because they must. For control. Why do they accept terrible, abused lives? Well…what’s the alternative? Why do they lie? Because what’s the upside in telling the truth? All that really matters is desire and power, and if you don’t pursue both, someone else will, and you’ll end up on the wrong side of things. It’s a tragic mindset - and frankly I don’t see any way it will ever chage as long as there is a Russia.
The Ottoman Empire might be the best example - it behaved very much like Russia does, including invading Europe and absurd levels of ruthless power grabs interally and externally. It took over 300 years for the Ottoman empire to collapse into a stable rump state of Turkey, while it’s most restless colonies in the Middle East are still afflicted by instability, violence and weak institutions to this day. If you were hoping for a happy ending, I’m sorry. The best I could offer is that maybe Russia is 100 years into a 150 to 200 year collapse, simliar to the Ottomans. They certainly do seem like they’re in fatal decline, having lost power projection and allies in the former Soviet States, Syria, Iran, Ukraine, Hamas, Hezbollah, Armenia etc. Expect their leaders of dwindling quality to become MORE hysterical about the state disintegration rather than to enact real reforms that would actually attract allies, investment and positive evolution.
Anyways - congrats if you read this far. Love your thoughts always, and eager for interesting discussion
this is… super racist ?? wtf
How? In saying that this is not something that has to do with race or anything, but about an intentional goal of education?
They’re essentially telling that if you grow up with the Russian school system, you end up the way Russians are. Regardless of your nationality. Or, if you grow up watching Russian “news”, you also end up weird.
But you can perfectly well be a speaker of Russian language but behave like any human being: 20 million of Ukrainians are that way. If there was a “Russian race” that is “genetically unable” to behave normally, Ukraine would not look the way it does. They refuse to watch Russia’s news, and therefore they are completely decent people.
The video even explicitly says that there is no DNA, there are no genetics that cause this.
What on Earth do you interpret as racist here?
Yes, our life sucks - but - as long as someone else is worse off, then that’s (somehow) a win for me. Caring for others is fruitless and stupid - so get yours, and screw the other guy, before he screws you
This summarises the MAGA movement nicely as well
It does, but I got to great lengths to try and not make everything about the malarial fever that’s going on in the U.S.
thier lives are in constant fear and stress, corroborate with thier larger fear centers in thier amygdalas. if they arnt under fear and stress via propaganda, they actually start to “calm” down and say hey wait a minute, its just that they are easy to provoke.
I’m allergic to YouTube videos, so I’ll rely on your text, instead.
I do believe it goes back to the Mongols where the Russian “ingenuity” was to embrace being slaves. They realised that at any moment the “guard” can come and take everything away.
Which means that stealing is not wrong.
And it also means that the best way of protecting yourself is by making the guard look at somebody else. Thus insatiable need for expansion.
Which is ironic since the guards left more than a millennium ago, but the system kept going.
I’ve been watching a lot of Sarah Paine videos so I’m going to try to recall her argument from memory here. I think it’s a pretty interesting take.
Russia also never benefitted from maritime thinking like the rest of Europe who had unrestricted access to the 7 seas while Russia’s were frozen 8 months of the year or easily blockaded. Seeing your neighbors fail and lose land is by definition a win for a nation that can’t get beyond its own borders without neighbors extracting tolls and rents for trade, or blocking you entirely.
England and the rest of Europe could trade with the world freely and embraced liberal values for a long long time. It became their culture, and England even spent exorbitant amounts of money policing the high seas. We’re talking a larger percentage of their GDP per year than the US spent on the war on terror during their peak. Iirc it was as high as 12% of their tax revenue? The West African squadron was a giant money sink.
And England didn’t do it to extract tolls or rents from other nations, but to prevent piracy as a whole since lost and stolen goods (especially ships) were a massive setback to the wealth of their trading partners, and by extension themselves. They also fought against slavery which harmed competitors using unfair labour (from their perspective) and to force liberal reform aligned with their own values (more better trade, less slave policing)
That’s a mindset that only exists with unrestricted access to the sea. When you’re penned in by neighbors that liberal attitude gets you killed or invaded so continental powers are more paranoid.
Sarah Paine isn’t as famous as she ought to be. One of the finest at distilling incredibly complex subjects into the meaningful parts.
I read a 900+ page biography of Peter the Great and it definitely painted a very similar picture. Since reading it, anything I read or see about Russia/USSR makes sense through that lens.
Compassion and empathy are only for the weakest and should be culled. Doing things that help everyone is wasteful and dumb. Life is short, drink hard and get one over on everyone else before they get you.
Drunk, mischevious, deceitful, brutalist nihilists led by delusional maniacs. Sounds about right.
Good summary. Unfortunately, that description can be applied to far too many groups.
This is a basic authoritarian mindset that you will find in about 30% of any given population. It’s not uniquely Russian.
“if you want to fight nazis, the first ones you’ll have to fight live at home”
something said to me once about how to defeat fascism you have to confront that fascism appeals to everyone by making overly simplistic approaches to the world seem sensible. every country, community, group, and individual has a propensity to fascism. if you want to fight fascism the very first one you’ll have to fight is the one that’s living inside of you
Exactly, that’s why these types of articles make me go “hmm…”
Don’t get me wrong, Russian leadership is completely responsible for starting a war of aggression, and Russian citizens share some responsibility for their leadership, but Russians as a whole are not “uniquely brutal and violent”, that’s just old Asiatic Horde racism. Notably, Ukrainians used to be part of the Asiatic Horde until the Russian invasion gave them honorary white European status.
The Lithuanian history of Ukraine did change a LOT though!
True, but there’s such a thing as being The Worst. There’s lots of authoritarian states, but none so committed to being corrosive, death-dealing mischevious dickheads than the Russians.
For every online edgelord with Che Guevara as their avatar who never shuts up about how evil the U.S. and U.K. are and the sins of capitalism…they have nothing to say about the who directly funded and enabled every conflict of the second half of the 20th century and how much death, theft and misery that caused. We are in a way STILL fighting the last war of the 20th century as Putin pisses away his country’s future to try and get revenge for a failed political concept.
True, but this is talking about the Russian people, not the Putin regime.
Yeah, I see blaming Russia the political entity for invading Ukraine.
Blaming Russia (the political entity) for causing every conflict since WWII is certainly a choice and will require some extraordinary evidence.
Once you start blaming Russians the ethnic group you’ve lost me entirely, because youre starting to sound very, uh, “final solution”-y.
You’re actually insinuating that I am advising a final solution against Russians. That’s not how quotation marks work, by the way.
And that Russia hasn’t funded most of the insurrections of the 20th century. What kind of weapons do you see insurgents across the globe using? Here’s just their direct invasions - Poland, Finland, the Baltics, the entire Warsaw Pact, Austria, Manchuria, Korea, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Afghainstan, Georgia, Ukraine.
Proxy wars in North Korea, Vietnam, Civil Wars in Finland, Greece, Spain, Sudan, Congo, Angola, Nigeria. Insurgencies in Malaysia, Burma, across most of Africa at some point. Nicaragua, Cuba, Ethiopia, Mozambique…the USSR was never, ever NOT at war.
Well, that’s an insane take, but - you be you.
No, I am not insinuating that you are advising the genocide of Russia. I am insinuating that the original video is involved in blaming all Russians for the crimes of the state, and you’re adding to that by saying Russia is the worst of the worst.
That being said, Russia was not involved in the korean/vietnamese conflicts after the Korean/Vietnam War, nor was Russia involved in most of the middle east conflicts outside of Iran and Afghanistan. Not to mention any of the insurgencies or proxy wars in South America. Unless you mean licensing the AK, in which case…well. Yeah, sure. The Soviet Union will be the cause of pretty much all conflicts going forward indefinitely.
So, once again. Extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence.
edit: In English, there’s a concept called “scare quotes”, where you use quotation marks to express a certain “so-called” expression. Exampled twice.
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I wonder how many new countries we’d get if Russia were broken up into smaller regions based on ethnic groups that Russia has been subjugating until now.
china would reclaim norther manchuria for starters, and would likely take siberia for resources. seems alot of the ethnic russians look ethnically chinese(not han)
Depends if you mean literally or in practical/economic terms. Xi has been very clever by letting the idiot Putin launch his own regional revenge project first. China wins no matter the outcome of the Ukrainian conflict, though I doubt they will roll tanks and troops across the border into Russia unlelss some sort of regional instability happens in a post-Putin scramble that jeapordizes China’s access to water, minerals and other material from Siberia. Russians do seem to understand the threat that China poses to their Far East.
If China can offer Siberia and the Far East better security and stability terms than the Russian Federation can over the long haul, then their influence there will certainly increase. Without losing any soldiers, machines or dipomatic capital, Xi has already become the undisputed senior partner in the Russia:China relationship, they can demand almost anything from Russia who will be unable to refuse going forward. The northern plain of China is notoriously short of fresh water, for example. They can now insist to Russia that the vast water supplies in the sparsely populated Russian far east should be shared with them as a cost of their “friendship”. Ergo - expect more dam building and water diversion projects from Siberia into northern China. That is a historic win for Xi, without costing him anything at all. Also - tied to China’s grand Island Chain strategy, they can consider the North Pacific as an extension of their operating space for the first time in their entire 4000+ year history.
Seems likely that this started out as a quid pro quo between Russia and China - You invade Ukraine first to reconcile your own ‘historical grievances’ invasion, and we will use that outcome to extract concessions for ours in Taiwan. Would Xi have preferred a Russian victory? Hard to say. A weak Russian partner also serves his purposes on many levels. If Russia crushed Ukraine, he could use that for leverage to try and get some bloodless concessions out of Taiwan for fear of getting the same treatment. But a Russian defeat, as seems increasingly likely, also has it’s uses.
The problem there is that ethnic Russians have done a good job emigrating to these regions and maintaining healthy minorities or outright majorities. It’s not so simple to say “Dagestan, Chechnya & Yakuita will go because they have a distict culture” - there are ethnic russians everywhere in their country, and it’s not a great idea to break up a Federation along clean ethnic lines. That’s how you get the mass ethnic cleansing and devastating migration related crises like with the Partition of India and the breakup of Yugoslavia. During those types of ethno-political crises, bandits and opportunists will commit any number of crimes to try an exploit migrants. There are always EXPLOSIONS of crime when those sort of border-redrawing events happen. What you could count on is probably 6-10 new countries - total guess - but also LOTS and LOTS of criminality and suffering.
Certainly sounds like MAGA and the Rs in America right now.
It’s interesting that a country that was formerly based on the ideology of the power of the collective is also incredibly cynical. There’s no social contract, anyone trying to improve the lives of others is probably a scam artist, altruism is weakness, cruelty is admirable.
I honestly think that’s gilding the lily on the philosophical spine of Russian communism was. It was an intelligence-services mafia rule pretending to have socialist principles. A slave-state build on blood and bone, and depending on being predatory at all times. The USSR was crueler and more deadly than Tsarist russia ever dreamed of being.
But it found the veneer of egalitarian principles useful for finding idiots in the west to steal technology, aid with espionage and cause discontent there to create distractions to provide cover for their never-ending invasions. Those same ilk of idiots STILL like to criticize everything the west has done as being uniquely evil, yet it is explicitly the Soviet Union’s hand behind nearly every conflict of the 20th century.
The USSR and it’s successor mafia goons NEVER stopped causing mischief, mayhem, death and suffering for it’s entire existence, and frankly the world would be better off if Russia collapsed into ethno-corporate statelets that bicker with each other instead of constantly invading their neighbours and trying to corrupt and corrode democracies with paid stooges across the globe.
I don’t know that much about the Cold War, but saying that the Soviet Union was behind nearly every conflict in the 20th century seems a bit simplified and/or one-sided, just like it is to say the other way around.
I could be wrong, though.
Since 1939, the USSR directly invaded Poland (while allied with Nazi Germany), Finland (twice), the Baltics, installed puppets in the entire Warsaw Pact, invaded Austria, Manchuria, Mongolia, South Korea, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Afghainstan, Georgia, Ukraine.
Proxy wars in North Korea, Vietnam, Civil Wars in Finland, Greece, Spain, Sudan, Congo, Angola, Nigeria. Insurgencies in Malaysia, Burma, across most of Africa at some point. Nicaragua, El Salvador, Cuba, Ethiopia, Mozambique…the USSR was never, ever NOT at war directly or indirectly.
Their stated goal was always to destabilize their enemies and spread global communist “revolution”. That didn’t end with the fall of the USSR. Since 1991 they invaded Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine (2014), intervened militarily in Central africa and Syria, then Ukraine again in 2022.
The timleine of these direct and indirect wars spans nearly the entirety of the last 75 years just since WW2.
It’s fairly simple, actually. Both US and USSR were doing all they can to expand their sphere of influence. This, rather symmetrically, involved invasions, providing military “consultancy” and weapons, coups, etc. Both sides couldn’t attack each other directly because of the atomic bombs, so they fought via proxies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_interventions_by_the_Soviet_Union
I’m sure there’s a similar page about the states. The point is that neither side in the cold war was a good one. It was too bullies fighting for control.
Yeah, that’s my rough impression of the Cold War, too.
Russian mindset: ……….and then it got worse.
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