• propitiouspanda@lemmy.cafe
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    6 days ago

    “People do things” would be a more appropriate headline.

    Guess what? Russians also don’t support Putin and his war.

    Russians are not 1 person who unanimously agree on everything, ever.

    Even if Russia never invaded Ukraine, there would still be Russians who support going to war.

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      6 days ago

      Bullshit.

      A strong majority of russians are committed to genocidal imperialism (and this is after adjustments for preference falsification).

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        6 days ago

        What is a ‘strong majority’ and how does it differ from a regular majority?

        How can you be so sure about your assessment when any Russians who oppose the war are made an example of by the state?

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          A strong majority is somewhere between 60 to 70 percent. A regular majority is between 50+1 and 60 percent. Usage of the terms in a such a context is widely used by respectable news organizations.

          How can you be so sure about your assessment when any Russians who oppose the war are made an example of by the state?

          Logically, how is the prosecution of anti-war russians related to the overall support for genocidal imperialism among the russian population?

          A tiny “minority within a minority” could be prosecuted, while a strong or overwhelming majority can be committed genocidal imperialists. These two points are not contradictory.

          Do you have any solid sources on this or is this speculation/polemics on your part?

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            6 days ago

            Logically, how is the prosecution of anti-war russians related to the overall support for genocidal imperialism among the russian population?

            How can you gauge overall support when people can’t oppose the war without repercussions?

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              6 days ago

              I will get to that. Believe it or not, you’re not the first person on this planet to think about this. 😆

              But first, please indulge me and explain how some russians being prosecuted for anti-war views is evidence that most (many) russians oppose the imperial conquest of Ukraine?

              How are these two things related? It makes no logical sense.

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                  There are sociological methods such as list experiments that allow one to gauge preference falsification impact by comparing list experiment results to more direct polling methods.

                  List experiments on russian attitudes have been conducted on a wide variety of topics including support for the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, support for the annexation of Crimea (pre-fullscale invasion) and support for putin’s regime (across time).

                  The results are damning for russian society.

                  This is not a novel methodology and there is research on this approach (in context of russia) going back decades. The quantity of research is large enough to allow for meta-analysis research specifically on this topic (again with damning results for russian society).

                  There is also qualitative research on this topic albeit it tends to have an element of subjectivity and you generally need to to know russian to understand it. For what it’s worth, there is a recent qualitative research project around “apolitical” russians in the province that dispels the myth of “russian innocence polemics” and shows that even “apolitical” russians in the periphery are largely commited to genocidal imperialism even if they are not that outspoken about it. The funny thing was this project was run by allegedly opposition minded russians (who have a strong incentive to downplay reality).

                  Care to answer my question now?