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cross-posted from: https://lemmit.online/post/5823642
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The original was posted on /r/ukrainianconflict by /u/rezwenn on 2025-05-14 12:21:07+00:00.
We don’t have “democracies with transparency”
I can’t. And you can’t. Real numbers are not provided. “you must trust the numbers given to you”
Dude that’s why we have
i dependentindependent journalists.Edit: oups
I think you mean independent.
I can if I really want to. Down to the last receipt, excluding someones personal information and stuff like that, but in here all that data is public. Not in a sense that everything besides accounting and other “bigger picture” things would be online, but it’s public information anyways and it has to be accessible. Sure, I would definetly annoy the shit out of some poor secretary (or more likely multiple of them) digging up everything and it would take a long time, but it’s still public.
It isn’t public. And it surely isn’t verifiable. “You must trust the numbers given to you”
AFAIK, in Sweden it is public, because they figured out some centuries ago that complete financial transparency is the best remedy against despotism. I doubt there is another country, though, so your point still stands 194/195 or so.
Really? Good for Sweden. But how is it done? Do they really have a database with all income/payment transactions?
AFAIK, you have to go to the office holding the records and ask for them. They did put it online, but found out that total machine readable transparency hccesdible to every scammer on the internet has downsides as well and reverted to the old system.
Disclaimer: I’m no Swede and I do not have any special knowledge about this. My brain is just wired to hold on every bit of information unrelated to my life and drop every important or usable info. I’m 99.9 % convinced that I came across this story several times in my life on different occasions from usually reliable sources. And the last time I heard about this quirk of Swedish bureaucracy might be 15–20 years ago.
Spend less time consuming tankie propaganda.
I mean we don’t, my government can spend tens of billions on literally nothing and then spend millions more investigating where all that money went. We certainly have democracies but part of what we vote for is who’s raiding the public purse.
Any system more complex than you managing your own wallet is going to hemorrage resources. And even you hemorrage money when you manage your own wallet. Its better than the alternative. There has never been a perfect system and there wont be either.
Completely true but I would still appreciate a bit less blatant cronyism, like when X company is paid for product, delivers crap, then is paid again to dispose of the crap they just delivered.