Velma

Doctors can be so fucking stupid.

“You’re just anxious”

“You need to lose weight”

“That’s just part of being a woman”

It’s not always a choice. But I gather you don’t really give a fuck about women anyway.

Have the day you deserve!

I wasn’t blaming “the men”, it’s just a fact that the side effects were severe enough to not continue taking that birth control. And it’s also true that side effects aren’t as much of a factor in women’s birth control because pregnancy is worse than those side effects.

I even agreed that the main reason was:

because it would cost some rich assholes money, they purposely keep the situation as is.

I just expanded on it.

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It is more difficult, but still worth working towards it.

As if there’s only one way to be strong lol

Yeah that’s like totally a valid option for the billions of couples out there.

Just stop having sex, you silly women! Duh!

I’ll add a caveat that one should take a look at daycare costs and such in their area first. There is a real financial setback that having kids can bring that shouldn’t be ignored if possible. There’s only so much money that cancelling going to concerts and brunch can offset things like daycare.

I say this as a parent as well.

Just providing more info to go along with the graph :)

Thanks for not being an ass about it lol

Assuming that the situation is as simple as that is foolish at best and does not adequately explain collapsing fertility rates in poorer demographics.

I agree that it would be silly to assume that the only correlation with fertility rates is GDP. There’s obviously going to be many factors that affect fertility and birth rates.

There’s a lot of people that assume that the birth rates will go up with income which isn’t true at all. That was what my commentary was pointed at more than anything.

Oh they’ve been pushing for that in the US for sure. What do you think abstinence only education is for?

More teen pregnancies.

The decreasing relationship between the two variables demonstrates the connection between fertility choices and economic considerations. In general, poor countries tend to have higher levels of fertility than rich countries.

In particular, women tend to give birth to no fewer than three children in countries where GDP per capita is below $1,000 per year. In countries where GDP per capita is above $10,000 per year, women tend to give birth to no more than two children.

This decreasing relationship between fertility and income is well known to economists and demographers alike. In addition, it holds true over time: Rich countries, such as the U.S., have experienced a remarkable decline in their fertility rate as they became rich. Also, the relationship holds at the individual level, as rich families tend to have fewer children than poor families.

This statement is from the same place as the graph pictured above.

It seems pretty directly linked with the availability of choices for women.

Anecdotal, but partner and I have put off having children multiple times due to affordability, IE who can take that much time off work and still pay food/rent costs?

You are lucky enough to have the choice to put off having children.

That’s not going to happen on its own. They’d rather force women to bear children through criminalizing miscarriages and abortions and reducing access to birth control.

Women with money have more options and choose to have fewer children.

That’s why they’re trying to criminalize abortion and reduce access to birth control.

Women with higher income have more options for sure.

The situation that only women have access to decent methods of contraception sucks, and the most infuriating part is that it doesn’t have to be, but because it would cost some rich assholes money, they purposely keep the situation as is.

There is that angle as well as the fact that most men would not use male birth control if there are side effects.

Women have more motivation to be on birth control regardless of the side effects because pregnancy is a worse outcome than those side effects.

For years, people have tried to create birth control for men. The World Health Organization commissioned what sounded like a promising trial, a two-hormone injection designed to lower sperm count. Initial results looked like it would be 96 percent effective in preventing pregnancy in the participants’ partners. But the Stage II trial was stopped after an independent review panel found that the drug had too many side effects. The results were published last week in The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism.

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I’ll fucking fight you (not you) if you say women are weak to my face.

Thanks dude/dudette. It’s refreshing to see this energy here and it’s really awesome.

What birth control pill are you talking about? This is too vague and I’ve never heard of this.

Edit: Oh are you talking about the very first birth control pills that were introduced? That would make sense. Modern birth control pills have a lot of side effects, too, so I’m not sure what the point of your comment was.