Codeberg no longer allows projects that code with AI.

Big oof on using LLM code for a fediverse project. That’s not going to do any favors finding motivated devs to chip in, especially with all the social, ethical, and potential copyright issues they bring.

Ah darn, I didn’t know it was just an AI built site :(

Update on the KDE situation: Nate has since closed the comments on his blog, and the one discussion thread on KDE Discuss about the AI Policy was closed suddenly without explanation after a KDE developer began to discuss the ethics of AI use. Nate then responded after the thread was closed with this:

I’d love to know a source we can verify for this? Haven’t seen any verifiable announcement of this about Framework severing ties to DHH, or exactly what that entails.

According to Nathan, they told him behind closed doors that they withdrew support to Omarchy.

Yes, they removed it from being viewed from the public due to the PR backlash it was generating. You can still read it on an archive site.

Hacker news generally flags and shuts down posts critical of tech bros, capitalism, or the right wing.

Lobste.rs is a better alternative to HN.

Looks like they switched the entire proposal thread to private, it can no longer be viewed.

Not that I’m aware of.

bee_fumo and Svin share the same avatar, and Svin’s response saying they know who in that thread like their X posts, and they later edited that post to this (which is still viewable/hasn’t been removed):

“You must be a fan of mine trolling from X” is admission that they are the same account.

And further down responded with this:

Here are lists of projects that actively reject AI:

https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware#desktop-environments

https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware#window-managers

https://noai.starlightnet.work/list.html

I noticed those comments were removed today. Cheers for finding the archive of them.

The turn KDE has taken is absolutely astonishing. I regret the donations I’ve made to them :(

Unfortunately I don’t think Sway will be a safe haven based on this: https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/9272

A majority of KDE developers are determined to create an LLM policy that allows AI code submissions without any form of disclosure to “avoid shaming”, and appear to be completely dismissing any ethical, environmental, or copyright concerns brought up.

1936 Catalonia during the Spanish Civil War organized an Anarchist society with over 3 million participants, and they documented much of how exactly they ran it, right down to how they kept the electric trams for public transport going (there is a fantastic book embedded at the bottom of that article, Collectives in the Spanish Revolution by Gaston Leval, which offers more details on other aspects of how they operated that society).

It’s a fantastic historical event we can learn from and build upon, and it bore out quite effectively that a decentralized society functions quite well.

There’s a couple ways to use Lemmy and make it nicer to use, one is curating a well fleshed out subscribed list, the other is using all but blocking every community that doesn’t interest you or has topics you actively dislike, making it just as pleasant as your subscribed view.

Personally I do both. My subscribed view is just things I like and no news communities. My All feed blocks everything I don’t like, let’s me discover new communities, and gives me a dose of news when I want it.

The ones at the bottom that are below the None category aren’t defederated from anyone, so they can access every instance.

He did, his instance was dubvee(.)org. i guess that wasn’t good enough 🤷

there is a significant probability we already are at this point,

I personally don’t believe that we are, not here, anyway. If I browse reddit for a while, I get the feeling that it is overran with bots at this point (like, 45 to 50% bots, based on my own subjective intuitions), as I’m not sure reddit itself is actually fighting it all that hard (on the surface, it would seem like AI traffic that isn’t ‘discovered’ to be AI traffic would still be useful to them to artificially boost user numbers for investors as well as for ad revenue. In other words, I’m not sure they have a strong incentive to weed out AI users, at least in respect to short-term profits? Though I could be wrong).

Lemmy/Piefed on the other hand still don’t appear to be very bot-ridden yet, maybe 5 to 10% at most.

I think it is a rising threat, and we’re already sort’ve at a point like it’s depicted in Cyberpunk 2077. In the future it may indeed make the internet an unfun place to be socially, but at least for now, the fediverse appears to holding it back so far. As I say, if it ever becomes overwhelmingly bots, I’m definitely going to be scaling back my participation, and if others do the same, then yes, the internet will suffer for it and be a far less useful resource, but at the same time, the bot resistant alternatives I mentioned in my other comment will benefit from that exodus, and we’ll likely just adapt to that.

I already answered the first part your question at the end of my previous comment. As to the idea that they become more useful/beneficial than actual human members, I personally find actually interacting with other humans more fulfilling than interacting with a machine in a social context, regardless of how ‘useful’ they are.

If AI gets to the point where it’s all pervasive, indistinguishable from real people, and we somehow cannot devise a way of weeding them out of online communities, I’d honestly probably just stop participating socially in public internet spaces, and instead restrict myself to private invite-only communities that do more intense vetting to ensure only humans are in that space, or participate in and help build up local mesh-networks, where people can actually meet up with who they talk to online.

That would probably mean a lot less time spent online overall, and instead going outside and finding connection with people in real life.