This will come as no surprise to any one given they are a .ml account, but now that they are attempting to discourage people from voting, they revealed their true face.
Edit: only now seeing they also post links to x.com still. I liked their content because I am anti genocide too, but it’s clear there’s a big the_donald vibe there.
YDI for continuing to engage with fascists on their own communities.
Leftist fascists? What?
Yes red fash, aka Marxist-Leninism and its derivatives.
W A T L O L
Please tell me more about how Marxist leninism is fascist
I’m not going to waste much time or effort on a tankie.
If you’re curious wiki has some history on this and its anarchist roots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fascism
But I’m sure you’ll call that a cia psyop and defer to whatever prolewiki says.
I mean…
Sure overlook the leftist origins and usage and pretend it’s just the CIA. Typical dishonest tankie.
Ok but then after that it was the CIA? Great argument?
Co-opting our language does not change the intent of our usage.
Get the fuck out of anarchist spaces with your dishonesty, you’re no better than the libs.
Fair. I’m not a fan of blocking and banning. Avoiding sure, but if you have a community, you should allow discourse. Manufacturing_consent isn’t a community but an echo chamber where any discussion that doesn’t align with a mod that is noticeably stuck in box-thinking and labeling results in a permanent ban with the label “Zionist”.
I’ve challenged them to a debate.
If we’re truly are trying to rise above Reddit, then the echo chambers have to go. Or as someone else said: label it in your sidebar that you want everyone to agree with you.
There is absolutely no need to debate the merits of zionism. If you want to both sides the genocide in gaza and lebanon and the west bank then fuck you. Biden was just as reprehensible as Trump on the issue of Israel. No question. He made mewling noises while adopting exactly the same policies on Israel. That’s the only difference. You can argue all you like about his other policies. But in this respect there was/is no daylight between the two approved parties in terms of support for Israel. By definition, this is 100% manufactured consent for a war nobody wants.
Yet somehow, that doesn’t actually stop the genocide and seems to forgo the fact that a never-war gimme my peace prize pedophile started a war you’re paying for at the pump or in your groceries bill.
You can agree that both biden and trump were horrendous for the palestinian people and their cause, but what’s next? All I’m seeing is .ml accounts getting bogged down in ideology and complete lack of action or planning on how to get out of this.
And anyone who tries to move forward is called a zionist. It’s like we’re all 10 years old.
I’m beginning to suspect that the status quo is the goal here. Keep trump in power, because he’s effectively the fastest path to American destabilisation and destruction.
I just wish this .ml cult would say those things out loud. Say out loud you’re proud extremists who are happy to have a pedophile start endless wars and sustain the genocide you condemn because secretly trump is helping you “take down the west”.
By definition and by these broad modding powers on .ml to ban free speech and only encourage monolithic views, this is 100% manufacturing consent for the destruction of western societies.
And that’s fine if you believe that, just say it and don’t pretend you’re “left” and want the people in Palestine to not suffer.
Yes, I do agree. What’s next? Fight against zionist candidates and vote for anti-zionist candidates. Seems pretty straightforward. If you have no anti-zionist candidate then sure, vote against trump. Seems sensible. I don’t think anyone is arguing you shouldn’t vote. They / we are just pointing out that it is unlikely by itself to move the dial on US policy towards the Israeli genocide, without a ton of pressure from the public. I’d love to be proved wrong.
What have I said to suggest such a thing? Can you point to it? Or are you just projecting your bias onto me?
Lol, I must have responded to you like 5 times in different threads and I don’t check the username each time.
We’ve established we want the same thing. You walked into a debate without fully knowing the context possibly. I didn’t have the context either. It looks like geneva and their instance are effectively a pro trump brigade in disguise, which threw me off, because I was assuming that being anti genocide means they would want trump to go too, but they don’t, and they might not even be interested in every genocide.
So they are playing a well organised trojan horse game to get left leaning people to actually leave the right wing establishment in power.
I always wondered how Lemmy is free, and I think I’ve found the money.
Do you want to debate the nuances of Nazism afterwards?
Sure. I go first.
Establish your definitions: what constitutes nazism for you?
How do you want to get rid of trump?
Bro fuck all the way off, lmao. You’re gross!
Ever since this incident, and i don’t know how this want apparent before, the “instance ideology” is becoming very clear.
A radical bunch of ideologically minded people without any solutions to anything, just hardcore principles they are so insecure about they won’t tolerate any discussion about it on their own instance and allow their mods to bully and belittle others.
You have no solutions. Mine is, to get the US back on track, it starts with a blue house and senate to restore some semblance of democracy. Impeach presidents and justices and get more progressives elected to replace AIPAC democrats. That’s the fastest way to end military support for Israel.
Let me know if you have a better solution.
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My solution is to vote for parties which recognize the genocidal and destructive nature of the American and Israeli states, and push for sanctions against them which hopefully isolate and weaken them enough to have some sort of revolution where they can figure their shit out.
Definitely seems better to me!
Ok, spill the beans, which parties and candidates are they?
Not American ones, lol.