Both US and EU are already busted. See this from the Asia Society Policy Institute (ASPI): https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/aspis-critical-technology-tracker-2025-updates-and-10-new-technologies/
China now leads in 66 of the 74 technologies tracked, with the United States leading in the remaining eight
And you can see in the graph how the share of publications have gone down by like half in the US, EU and UK. While China and other developing nations have continued to invest in their people. Unfortunately our neoliberal leads do not know how to do anything else but privatize so the downward trend will continue.
University is full of cheap to bribe “experts”, real research is not in private sector.
Just tell me what university invented planes or rockets.
China is the future of science now
i wouldnt put my bet on that, there is still the problem of them innovating and not controlling what research/cooking the books by the ccp. theres a reason why they are fleeing to europe and not china. they are exceling in certain areas. AND YES ccp has thier own problems to deal with, the massive amount of chinese graduates that cant find jobs, are already incensed that the ccp was luring foreigners for research/engineer positions, while ignoring the citizens.
Like Fallout predicted.
I almost got hired as a research assistant but the professor I wanted to work for told me he couldn’t afford to due to the budget cuts going around, I’ve also seen scholarship opportunities get cancelled as well
thats sad, but im not really surprised it seems like PIs all over the us already are on razor thin budgets to begin with. i think these have become more competitive too, when i was trying to apply to these types of jobs last decade , they wanted people with alot of experience up front that you couldnt get at uni’s because those labs are always packed.
one program, CLS9(clinical lab) i was look at got more competitive over the years, as people realized that choosing another grad program wasn’t going to amount to better jobs, as CLS was a cheap program with a high income(100k+ starting at least in the west) if you can even get into the program. they have an abridged program for MLT, but that usually doesnt help.
also the dismal job prospects at the lower levels , is discouraging people from going into STEM. not everyone could get into a phd program right after undergrad
The brain drain is going to devastate science in the US for generations. Totally squandered in a matter of a couple years.
the brain drain has been going on for a long time, trump just accelerated it. the low job market for stem/lab research is pretty bad. “want to start out, no problem, just have your resume with 2-4+years of lab /research experience ready.”
What researchers? A lot of them just up and left when Trump started his shit.
not only that but the poor job prospects besides what trump has done especially at the non-phd level.
The ones without the resources to just up and leave.
only for PHD would be worth it. there seems to be vastly more people at the undergrad/ms that cant find jobs.
If you’re good at what you do money isn’t an issue.
Hey, what about those of us who are old and mediocre (but capable!) at what we do?!?
or those that cant get thier foot in the DOOR, thats the main issue.
We get a convoy going.
And as we all know, all researchers are equally as capable.
Trump is obviously a Russian asset. EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE HAS BENEFITTED PUTIN.
As a non-US resident that doesn’t much read the news, is there any particular reason for the comparison of ‘now’ vs ‘6 months ago’? Has there been a particular change in policy or some other big event in the US that’s motivated the sudden change in attitude?
TRUMP and WH have been attacking defunding science/education grants all over the country. a small percentage of researchers already fled the US, in case violence picks up, and intellectuals are usually the first targets.
this in combination of the ongoing problem with stem, low job prospects.
US federal budgeting this year have pushed hard to gut science. I’ve heard talking points regurgitated by college educated folks that businesses will pay for it instead, but when pressed for examples or how it would work they are only able to point to engineering projects, they can’t differentiate between basic scientific research producing testable, accurate models and the products and services built using this models.
Businesses will pay for studies that help businesses or had a profit incentive. When you hear the govt spent a large sum of money studying how ocelots react to opium or somelike that, people usually say that’s a waste of money, rather than finding out why.
Businesses will probably also do them inefficiently because they only think about themselves.
Like there was one Republican complaint about studying soybeans. Beans! Useless!
Yeah well guess what one of the biggest crops in the US is. We used to export soy to Asia.
yeah, Trump.
Not that things weren’t kind of shitty before, he just accelerated the problems by defunding science and preventing foreigners from coming here to study, which sadly make up many 1/3 of the students of our PhD programs, especially hard sciences.
higher education in the USA needs systematically reform, but I don’t think anything Trump has done has improved anything, just accelerated the issues by turning off the money/labor spigot so many research programs were overly-reliant on.
a lot of this talented foreign labor is now going to study in other countries rather than the USA and that will impact things for decades, reducing USA’s lead in many scientific fields.
“… money / labor spigot so many research programs were overly-reliant on.”
I don’t see how research or more generally anything at all could get done without money or labor.
Europe too.
I know it’s “science” but there’s too many articles where someone’s run a basic survey on the obvious that gets reported as “obviousness observed”
