I’d be fine with that as well

… Do you think smoking does the same damage as cars

Fair, ignoring the reality though. Way too many people have no access to clean water, or air, or food, or housing, or safety.

Bitching about the occasional second hand smoke whiff when moving about outside - while there are an insane amount of cars emitting exhaust fumes, rubber particles; factories churning out pollution, and so forth doing far worse to your health every day - is a little like being mad about too much sodium in your industrial runoff tainted drinking water.

The point being, there are much more imminent and important battles to fight for clean air (and water, and all the other things any human should have) than to impede on the unhealthy habit of your fellow peasants in my opinion.

Yup, though they have a “Raucherkneipe” sign outside (and they also tend to smell accordingly even when passing by).

It is true that the staff has to work in there as well but generally they just hire smokers as barkeeps for those places.

I suppose we generally agree but have different priorities regarding what is “impacting other people’s enjoyment and health”.

E: if we agree on no emissions period in public spaces I’m game. I would still tackle cars first and foremost before I’d go after the last public smokers in the country.

What’s that supposed to say?

You are not owed clean air in public spaces. You are not owed air free of unpleasant smells. Your freedom ends where mine begins.

If you really care about unhealthy things you inhale, why aren’t you spending your time ranting against car ownership? Emissions and tire wear produces magnitudes more harmful particles you inhale every day than being in the general vicinity of someone who smokes.

Naturally you could also ask a smoker to stand downwind from you at the bus stop, or even to not light up in the first place. But the smoker has just as much rights to the public space as you do.

If we try to regulate what smells you might encounter outside there are so. many. things I’d want gone as well because they make me feel sick to my stomach. Perfumes, foods, sweaty asses. Burps and farts.

I understand how annoying public smoking can be, I live essentially next to three bars. Not a weekend evening goes by without some fuckers smoking under my window, forcing me to close it.

But I still support their right to do so (see first paragraph).

German here, albeit not a (tobacco) smoker. The only places where you can lawfully smoke nowadays are public spaces and specifically designated areas on private properties, which are also physically separated from the non smoking areas.

There are also some Kneipen (roughly equivalent to pubs) which allow smoking anywhere inside, catering to the smoking demographic; although those tend to be frequented by older people who are used to smoking while having a drink. Well there are also the alternative places which definitely have a younger clientele, some allow it anywhere some don’t (and have a designated area outside as most other places do).

Ultimately though I believe we have a fair compromise going; and i am always taken aback by people being zealously anti tobacco anywhere, with no regard for individual liberties. Who then throw up their hands when I ask for a ban on personal cars.

Unironically the mindset of guys like cm002.

Nooo we can’t do that because I don’t 100% align with the beliefs of lemmys devs so I’d rather see the project go broke

Yes, unironically.

If you think you should be allowed as a russian to live in a country russia is engaging in psyops, social destabilization, and some cases even open warfare against, you should be fucking forced to decide. Do you want to stay where you are and have been welcomed despite all your country’s bullshit then do so and blame your relatives at home because they don’t make it stop. Blame yourself as well because you dodged that bullet for a good life elsewhere.

All more logical and reasonable than to expect your host country to roll over and take it for your convenience, especially when most of the russians living elsewhere are just as indoctrinated as those at home and are often willing assets for the russian hybrid campaigns, espionage and sanction evasions. No victim nation of russian aggression can be faulted for trying to protect themselves from a new kind of warfare.

Russia fucking with the whole world out of an inferiority complex fuelled envy? Then yes.

And imagine being the guy responsible for keeping him alive while failing to do so. You’re probably shitting yourself twice over that you and/or your loved ones will be severely punished if that happens.

Don’t aggregate me pal

Weird that it was posted to the onion then

Guys in the comments: this is a cross post from the onion.

I’d say it is more notoriety than popularity.

Don’t kid yourself, the future chancellor and former blackrock executive is very well connected with the capital.

Thinking of it perhaps it is the client I use that does it, voyager. I have never not been using it ever since I joined lemmy so i often forget that i might have a different experience than other users.

I have a sum total displayed in my profile which works as I described, and assumed that is what everyone gets to see.